Wow. I cant post at this forum any more Joe, youve made your opinion and point-of-view clear but now you are just spamming propaganda I could easily do the same thing but with people who have taken the vaccine and died. That is some real bullshit youre pulling.
Facts- mRNA vaccines have NEVER been approved for use in humans. Facts- Ivermectin at the appropriate doses is extremely effective at combating COVID-19 (some idiots are buying the horse version) Fact- They dont consider someone "fully vaccinated," until 2-weeks AFTER they're 2nd shot. Meaning if someone got both vaccine shots, and died 2 days later, they would be considered Unvaccinated. Fact- The Vaccines are responsible for creating the most resilient mutated strains of COVID.
The only reason the federal government, the media, and stock-joe are talking shit about Ivermectin and other alternatives is because EUA, Emergency Use Authorization, requires that there be no suitable, effective alternative. That is the ONLY way they have been able to slide this vaccine through without the clinical trials and data that is normally required for a vaccine to receive FDA approval. This whole thing stinks. It's just an excuse for the gov't to spend trillions of dollars and take away your rights.
For the record, I am not an anti-vaxxer, and in fact, I have 1 shot of Pfizer in my arm. But for people to not at least question what they are putting into their bodies and the possible long-term affects or possible complications is ignorant and irresponsible. And the main stream media is quickly shutting down anyone and everyone who has had an adverse affect to the vaccine. There is countless cases where people who are fully vaccinated still contract the virus and still spread it to others. Only people who are vaccinated are responsible for creating the super-strains of the virus that are adapting to the vaccine shot. /rant
"Antivax are dying in incredibly higher numbers than vaccinated people is propaganda!" Ok. got it. Here is some more propaganda for you. And yeah, I even know somebody that got the vaccine and died. A father of two in his early 40's, with two small kids. But you know whats killing A LOT MORE PEOPLE? COVID! False. FDA has not approved ivermectin for use in treating or preventing COVID-19 in humans. Ivermectin tablets are approved at very specific doses for some parasitic worms, and there are topical (on the skin) formulations for head lice and skin conditions like rosacea. Ivermectin is not an anti-viral (a drug for treating viruses). You know what the FDA has approved? The fucking vaccine for COVID! Yeah, immune response does not not happen the second the needle goes in...This is probably the most correct thing you have posted. Good job! Uhh, the Delta variant was running rampant in India before they had vaccines going out... Yes, I was on call with Fauci earlier and he told me that I should say these things because there must be no other suitable alternatives. Bitch please, if tomorrow it turns out that spraying lemon juice in your eyes will cure covid, Ill be filling up my water pistol and squirting everybody out in the streets immediately! Im thinking the more likely story is that you are being paid by the Chinese or Russians to post disinformation in hopes of killing more Americans. In light of all the numbers and proof we have that more people survive COVID after getting the vaccine, you are still telling people to not get it, can only mean you are being paid to do so by the enemies of America in hopes of killing more patriots.
It's not just more people surviving with the vaccine than who don't have it. It's that way, way, way more people survive. People who have the vaccine and still succumb to covid are corner cases. It's pretty clear, covid is here to stay. The pandemic is now endemic. If China was running the world, we could eliminate covid. But, we aren't that smart. Covid is going to morph and evolve. It will undoubtedly become more lethal in time. We are going to need new mRNA shots every year. This thought has been rolling around my world view for a few weeks. It is now pretty certain. It will have direct impact on house prices and the markets. Over time, this will change the balance of political power with Darwinian efficiency, as no-vacc people succumb to new strains with increasing lethality. I don't understand why pro-vacc people are so bent on trying to convince the no-vacc people to get the vaccine. Bullshit and lies not withstanding, there is a chance there will be unintended repercussions to the vaccine. I have considered this. I've tried to analyze the odds the way I analyze a company's growth potential. As best I can tell, the odds of the mrna vaccine being harmful to someone is something close to 0.001%. Meanwhile, covid is killing between 1 and 2% of those who get it with that number carrying with both the variant and the covid load in the local geographic area. Also, the lethality will increase over time. There will be more lock downs. There will be more measures. Covid isn't done reaping havoc on the world economy. Watch oil. There may be some bargains in the next couple of years, for those (like me) who believe the world still needs oil
I agree with most of your post. I think the reason people with the vaccines want everyone to get it soo badly because a) they dont think the vaccine will actually protect them if they come into contact with someone with COVID and b) they figure if Im going to die from being a test subject for a new vaccine then I want everyone to die, not just me lol and not on some bullshit, and I hope she is okay and it turns out to be nothing, but my wife got her 2nd Pfizer shot on Saturday and has been having lots of pain throughout her body that is now getting worse. I want her to go to the ER but shes trying to wait a bit longer and see her regular doctor. I am not an anti-vaxxer, again, I have 1 shot of Pfizer and holding off on getting a 2nd for a bit longer as the CDC even admitted that 2-weeks apart was not necessary, which is why they are now saying 8 months. All 3 shots are the exact same thing. Same exact dose. I am just not in favor of making it mandatory. If people dont want it, dont make them or take away all their freedoms and rights because of a medical decision. Covid is here to stay, what are you going to do, mandate a booster every year also? like a registration to participate in life.
Sorry if I came off too aggressive @ddebrazza I personally know way too many people that have lost loved ones and it just pisses me off that people filling up the ICUs for something that is 100% preventable. We need to come together on this and just make sure as many people as possible stay healthy.
Tom, what makes you say this? Do you really believe the numbers they are reporting? How could China be the 1 major country that isnt getting absolutely ravaged by COVID? And if somehow their numbers are accurate, Id like to know what they are doing that no one else is doing.
Protecting yourself is each persons individual duty. I dont believe it is the governments job to step in and decide what is best for your health. It's also been shown in at least 1 study that people who get COVID-19 and recover naturally have natural immunity and antibodies that are superior to that of the vaccine. So Mandating someone who has already had COVID to get vaccinated does not make sense from a medical perspective. Just scary times as more and more Job Postings are including "most be vaccinated and provide proof of vaccination upon hire." So now companies are excluding a percentage of the workforce from being able to obtain jobs. Scary shit. GET THE VACCINE, or your family will starve! If everything goes as planned, I will get my 2nd jab sometime in early November. 3 months between my 1st and 2nd jab. I would like to do more research on these mRNA vaccines I went to the CDC's website where they are supposed to list ALL side affects reported from the vaccines through VAERS program. But the data is virtually impossible to understand.
Simple. China is not a democracy. At least designed the way you are used to see. So it is easy for rulling power to set whatever procedures, laws, rulls they prepare. In that particular aspect dictatorial regimes work pretty well…
One study is not conclusive, also look at it this way: I had the flu last year, so I should be immune to the flu this year. See the problem? Every year there are flu variants, it does not matter if you had the flu last year, you can still get knocked on your ass every other year. I wish there were more people like you! You ask questions, do some research* but at least protect yourself and your family! *"Doing your own research" is a big problem because of the huge amounts of disinformation and complicated research papers that are misinterpreted by non-science educated people. For example, Ivermectin in lab conditions, in a pitri dish, at 100x over the recommended safe dosage to a human, was effective at blocking COVID. It does not take much to turn that fact into a 2 line facebook meme saying "Studies have shown Ivermectin to be highly effective in blocking COVID", leaving out the fact that it was in a lab conditions, tested on mice cell cultures at toxic levels.
If the vaccines prove to be fatal, as opined by a portion of the population that is large enough to shock me, I will not survive. If COVID proves to be fatal, as opined by medical science and 4.5M bodies, I will do OK. I'm comfortable to let Darwin sort this out.
I am pro-vax and pro-masks, I don't know why there are still a lot of people who don't believe that covid exists. It's really unfortunate that a lot of people now listen to fake news.
What I really don't understand is, it appears to me that Fox and OAN are trying to kill their own followers! I'm truly 110% okay with this, just irritated at the collateral damage to people who have legitimate reasons why they can't get vaxxed. BTW Be aware that the talking heads at Fox were locked down, remote working and vaxxed quite early, yet they continually propagandize the hell out of quack "treatments".
I see friends and families having bad vibes between them about Covid IMO Covid is a distraction from the bigger picture. Both Gil and dde make valid points and IMO I believe this is what the Elites want divide and conquer which is happening right under our nose. What I don't understand is how people that I consider very smart just seem to have on blindfolds and being led astray. Yes the virus is real, the problem is we don't know who to believe anymore that's why their is a divide now and who knows what end of year or next year will turn out.
It is my sincere belief that we will be arguing until 2023 or later. The Lambda variant makes Delta look like a Caribbean cruise. As this monster virus mutates, the health care system worldwide will collapse. Waitin' for da return of Jeebus? Is this what a certain group thinks is going to happen? It would explain the absolute hypocritical lunacy perpetuated by people who are "whisper" already vaccinated but holding out crystals and Woo-Woo to their listeners and followers. Fomenting the collapse of society? Maybe....if you're living in your Compound in New Zealand and surrounded by staff and guards, just pour yourself some 100-year old Scotch and watch the show from a safe distance.
