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F - Ford Motor Company

Discussion in 'Stock Message Boards NYSE, NASDAQ, AMEX' started by bigbear0083, Mar 31, 2016.

  1. Jack Levy

    Jack Levy Well-Known Member

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    Sold all positions the dividend is not worth the LT growth when the value of SP keeps dropping. GL to all.
     
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    This has the worst luck. It was primed to go up to 13+ after great ER. Then this tax bill news bull hit comes out & kills the momentum.
     
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  3. JerryM

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    I held Ford for a long term hold but while I thought I had bought at lows it did drop down to 11 and under so I was showing red in that holding for a long time while collecting the dividends. Here it worked it's way back up to my cost basis so I sold it. Now I am waiting to see if it drops back to 11 where I will consider going back in for long term. If not, well I'll move on. I don't usually do long term that way but I just got tired of seeing Ford staying below my cost basis for that long.
     
  4. BermudianOption

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    Ouch. Down 7% on the day
     
  5. T0rm3nted

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    Let's see if it holds this round number support. Entering oversold territory as well.

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  6. T0rm3nted

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    F ex-div-date tomorrow.

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  7. Three Eyes

    Three Eyes 2018 Stockaholics Contest Winner

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    Plus a $0.13 special div tomorrow, so total $0.28.
     
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  8. T0rm3nted

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    Ford still tanking today, down another 3.65% right now
     
  9. Three Eyes

    Three Eyes 2018 Stockaholics Contest Winner

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    At the rate she's dropping, F is gonna force some decisions soonish re: picking up some shares at the 10.4 to 10.6 range anticipating a bounce into which one could sell the covered calls. @ 10.2 the decision gets made for me.

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  10. StockJock-e

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    Looks interesting, around $10 would be a good price here.
     
  11. T0rm3nted

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    This is getting awfully tempting. Oversold, and no more surprises with the Earnings and dividends out of the way for awhile...

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  12. Syynik

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    Still holding, I might toss more in down here.
     
  13. T0rm3nted

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    Taking a shot here. Stop set at $10.40, Target of $13 (no problem holding for awhile). Risk/Reward ratio of 8.29.

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  14. Three Eyes

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    It's a great price and over time it'll pay for itself. I own a lot of F from over the years, all of which have really good total returns thanks to that divvy.

    That said, I'm still going to wait before grabbing some more!
     
  15. T0rm3nted

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    Woops
     
  16. Onepoint272

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    So this is interestingly bearish:

     
  17. T0rm3nted

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    I haven't watched the video yet, but I REALLY hope the headline in the title is not true.
     
  18. Onepoint272

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    If what he says is true than it will impact the whole market since the auto industry is such a large portion of the economy.

    Lease penetration rates have surged for the Big Three. For Ford in 2009 it was 5.4% and in 2016 it was 23.8%. For the same period GM went from 2.1% to 27.8% and FCA from 3.0% to 23.5%. For the industry as whole including Honda, Toyota, Hyundiai/Kia, BMW, and Mercedes the rates went from 13.0% to 30.1%. Now there are millions of vehicles coming off lease into the wholesale/used car market.

    On top of that problem is that 20% of new car loan originations are subprime (credit score < 620). 33% of loans are sub-660-originators; no help there. Prior to the global financial crisis, subprime 90-plus-day auto-loan delinquencies climbed to 10% and then dropped after the crisis to about 6% after the banks, credit unions, and finance companies tightened requirments. Currently subprime delinquencies are at 9.7%...uh oh.

    The Boomers are retiring and aging...this age group does not buy stuff.

    Average auto sales growth was 2.5% for the past 3 years (half the growth rate of the S&P500). EBITDA growth (cash flow) grew just 6%, also much slower than overall market. But they grew earnings by using cheap money for share buy-back programs and adding debt to the balance sheet. Reduce share count > Earnings/share go up. But now the big guys are running into trouble with that debt, ergo the debt rating decline for Ford a week ago or so.
     
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  19. Onepoint272

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    Appears like a trading range boundary may have been established between Tuesday's $10.19 low and Wednesdays reaction high at $11.04.
     
  20. Syynik

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    Got it! 10.25. If it drops further, I'll probably keep buying.
     

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