The Long Term Investor

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  1. WXYZ

    WXYZ Well-Known Member

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    HERE is another....potential....but NOT reliable indicator for tomorrow......ASIAN markets are in rally mode.

    Asian stocks rally, battered bond market tries for stability

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...bond-market-tries-for-stability-idUSKCN2AT0TW

    "SYDNEY (Reuters) - Asian shares rallied on Monday as some semblance of calm returned to bond markets after last week’s wild ride, while progress in the huge U.S. stimulus package underpinned optimism about the global economy and sent oil prices higher.

    China’s official manufacturing PMI out over the weekend missed forecasts, but Japanese figures showed the fastest growth in two years. Investors are also counting on upbeat news from a raft of U.S. data due this week including the February payrolls report.

    Helping sentiment was news deliveries of the newly approved Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine should start on Tuesday.

    MSCI’s broadest index of Asia-Pacific shares outside Japan edged up 1%, after shedding 3.7% last Friday.

    Japan’s Nikkei rallied 2.1%, while Chinese blue chips added 0.8%.

    NASDAQ futures bounced 1.2% and S&P 500 futures 0.8%. EUROSTOXX 50 futures and FTSE futures both rose 1.0%.

    Yields on U.S. 10-year notes held at 1.40%, from last week’s peak of 1.61%. They climbed 11 basis points last week to be up 50 basis points on the year so far."

    MY COMMENT

    Sounds good to me. We need a good week to get us started on the right track again. AS usual....I am talking REALLY short term stuff on here. In REALITY......what I consider long term investing is......at the very minimum 7 years and better............10-30 years.
     
  2. WXYZ

    WXYZ Well-Known Member

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    As I said a while back.....I will be out of touch tomorrow. Emmett has graciously volunteered to take care of the markets tomorrow. So anyone that loses money tomorrow....talk to Emmett.
     
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  3. gtrudeau88

    gtrudeau88 Well-Known Member

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    You all need to move to MN. We pay 2400 for taxes on a 3000 sq ft house built in 1972. Worth 275k.
     
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  4. Rustic1

    Rustic1 Well-Known Member

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    If anyone plays the Minnie's, last night was awesome. I choose not to live in the high tax areas.
    Real estate has exploded in my area but taxes are under control.

    Interesting to see how the market reacts today. Might see some lost ground recovered.
     
  5. Rustic1

    Rustic1 Well-Known Member

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    Have a safe trip.
    My money is on Emmitt.
    They cant lose money unless they get scared and sell, paper is only a measurement of performance.

    I'm not adding anything for awhile, just making a few plays for now.

    Waiting to see how quick those majic shots put the unemployed back to work.
     
  6. gtrudeau88

    gtrudeau88 Well-Known Member

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    I'm watching too how novavax does today. They have an earnings call post market and on Friday announced an agreement to provide covid vaccine to Japan. It's up premarket but that don't matter much.
     
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    Rustic1 Well-Known Member

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    Hope it goes well for you.

    I trade futures and the index was a good night.
     
  8. gtrudeau88

    gtrudeau88 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks. I got back into Novavax at a decent buy point, 85% of position at $241.65 and 15% at $231.25 or so. Not quite the recent low but not bad. Pre-trading today at $241 so it could be a nice day.

    Take care
     
  9. Rustic1

    Rustic1 Well-Known Member

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    Be carefull not greedy. Look at the lifetime chart, these come and go. 15 minutes of fame can often backfire. Its been preloaded in the last couple of months.
    Screenshot_20210301-053320_Chrome.jpg
     
  10. gtrudeau88

    gtrudeau88 Well-Known Member

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    What did you use to generate the above chart? I've not seen before the "chart events" / "performance outlook" part.
     
  11. Rustic1

    Rustic1 Well-Known Member

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    Yahoo finance. Just did a quick glance to show you. Not long ago this was on the delitisting schedule.

    Just saying, BE CAREFULL.
     
  12. gtrudeau88

    gtrudeau88 Well-Known Member

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    I hear you. Prior to covid the company had failed miserably in every endeavor and normally I wouldn't touch such a thing. But the funding they got from Operation Warp Speed gave them the opportunity to develop a covid vaccine (my wife and I are in the paid phase 3 trial for this), they have got huge agreements signed with Japan, New Zealand, and the EU I think for the vaccine, they had a good phase 3 trial in the UK, and to boot they have an Influenza vaccine that they will likely deliver in the same shot as the covid vaccine.

    I set a limit on how big a % of my portfolio any position can occupy so my exposure isn't too bad. If Novavax doesn't do well I can cut my losses but I won't go broke. If it gains, I'll smile. Most of my money is in much more established entities than Novavax (Enbridge, Disney, and so forth) or solid index funds.
     
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    I have a good feeling about March.
     
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    Rustic1 Well-Known Member

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    Wow. Only in Texas. Screenshot_20210301-065604_Chrome.jpg
     
  15. WXYZ

    WXYZ Well-Known Member

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    About to head out soon.....time for one post. A good little article.

    ‘Markets Are Wrong’: $2 Trillion of Pension Funds Skip Bond Rout

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/markets-wrong-2-trillion-pension-065920871.html

    (BOLD is my opinion OR what I consider important content)
    "(Bloomberg) -- As interest-rate jitters supercharged a meltdown in the world’s biggest bond market, Sam Sicilia barely blinked.

    The markets are wrong” about inflation expectations, said Sicilia, chief investment officer of the A$56 billion ($43 billion) Host-Plus Pty pension fund in Melbourne. “Deflationary forces are bigger. Interest rates are going to stay at effectively zero.”

    With governments around the globe still adding to trillions of dollars of stimulus to ride out the pandemic, pension fund managers who are trying to discern the long-term effects are posing the question: Will inflation make a comeback? If it does, more than $46 trillion of global pension assets would be affected as central banks pivoted toward sustained higher interest rates.

    Interviews with five pension funds that help oversee parts of Australia’s A$2.9 trillion ($2.3 trillion) in retirement assets reveal a rank of investors largely unconcerned about the risk of rising prices.

    Last week, bond trades triggered speculation that inflation may accelerate to multi-year highs as the inevitable conclusion to the world’s $19.5 trillion coronavirus rescue package. Yields on 10-year Treasuries surged to pre-pandemic levels on Thursday, convulsing markets from stocks to credit as traders bet on more aggressive tightening -- with a U.S. interest rate hike briefly priced in for late 2022, at least a year earlier than the Federal Reserve had signaled.

    Debt markets calmed on Monday, as investors bet central banks would ramp up asset purchases to prevent yields rising too quickly.

    “I don’t think they would want to risk any recovery” by allowing markets to tighten too quickly, said Michael Clavin head of fixed-income at the A$140 billion Aware Super, Australia’s second-biggest pension fund by assets. There may be a “burst of inflationary data, but we’re not really sure it’s sustainable.”

    Like Sicilia, Clavin points to technology advancements as the biggest damper on long-term price growth.

    Economists have struggled for years to quantify technology’s deflationary impact on everything from supply chains to wage growth -- Clavin’s wind vane for price pressures -- but the overall effect has been to stifle price increases. And that’s not including the increased unemployment from the pandemic.

    “There’s still quite a big hurdle to get the jobs back that were lost,” Clavin said. “I don’t see how you’re going to overcome those deflationary forces without some sort of wage growth.”

    Aware is sticking to a strategy that includes being overweight in global equities and cash in its default option to ride out the market volatility. It also invests about 15.6% of its default fund in fixed-income assets.

    Sicilia continues to shun “outrageously expensive” bonds and is investing in stocks and private equity on bets that risk-assets will continue to outperform as central banks keep rates near record lows.

    “In five to 10 years’ time, you’ll have people saying ‘we should have bought equities at 20 times earnings,’” he said. “If technology is the root cause of no inflation, that means you’re not going to be able to generate inflation anytime soon.”

    While bond markets suggest there may be “inflation in the pipeline”, it might be short-lived, said John Pearce, Sydney-based investment chief at the A$90 billion UniSuper Management Pty.

    The 30-year market veteran points to Japan as an example where inflation remains elusive despite years of quantitative easing and ultra-loose monetary policy. Markets today are a far cry from the 1970s when a massive oil shock and collapse of the Bretton Woods system turbocharged price hikes, he said.

    You look at the marginal cost of everything just plummeting because of the improvements in technology -- I don’t see that stopping anytime soon,” said Pearce. “We’re not a believer that we’re going to see persistently high inflation.”

    It may be “worth having a look at” 10-year Treasuries if yields climb to 2.5%, he said.

    Contrarion Bets

    That’s not to say that the recent volatility hasn’t produced some buying opportunities.

    When bond yields plunged to historic lows last year, IOOF Holdings Ltd. pivoted some of its funds from government debt to credit and senior loans. By December, one of the Melbourne-based pension’s underlying asset managers had switched from a long duration position -- or holding securities with higher interest-rate risk -- to a short on signs inflation pressures were building.

    The wagers paid off. During the worst month for Australian bond returns on record, the fund’s fixed-income strategy rose 0.6%.

    Because we’re starting from such a low base on inflation, you’re probably likely to see over the next three-to-six months” economic data showing some price rises, said Osvaldo Acosta, head of fixed-interest assets who studies bonds and stock returns to look for an inflection point for inflation. “The greatest risk that we saw for the last 12 months was the amount of stimulus both monetary and also fiscal that was coming through -- it is just tremendous.”

    Now, with U.S. yields pulling global rates higher, Acosta is weighing his fund’s position. “Bonds are starting to look attractive,” he said.

    Even so, most of those managing Australia’s giant pension funds don’t see a return to the high levels of inflation that characterized U.S. economics in the 1970s.

    Con Michalakis, chief investment officer of Statewide Superannuation Pty, compares the S&P 500 Index dividend yield against the U.S. 10-year benchmark as a bond valuation barometer and he’s now looking at opportunities in government debt after the selloff.

    “We’re going to hit an inflection point -- bonds near 2% offer some insurance value that they didn’t offer when they were 80 basis points,” said Adelaide-based Michalakis. “We are in an era of slightly higher structural long-term inflation, but nothing disastrous.”

    MY COMMENT

    EXACTLY a reflection of what I believe. MUCH of the content in the one little article is spread around in my comments in this thread. BUt....plenty of room for disagreement since the FUTURE is unknown.

    IN addition......I am a......."business".....investor.....NOT a general economy investor. I have ZERO interest in being a stock market speculator based on general economic data. In my opinion.....a sure way to fail as an investor. Jumping around based on general economic data.

    In my opinion a WEAKNESS of many people that invest. They focus on the WRONG "stuff".....and.....get all worked up based on macro-economic news and events. When I was in business....my number one question to anyone spouting generalities and business platitudes was........WHY? It is amazing the impact that one word question has. The typical response.........nothing.....silence. It is the same with investors. Often spouting various data and statistics because......that is what investors do. I dont think so. Read anything from Warren Buffett or Peter Lynch......that is NOT what investors do....their entire focus is on specific business fundamentals.
     
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  16. gtrudeau88

    gtrudeau88 Well-Known Member

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    WXYZ, you like to comment on how focusing on long term objectives and ignoring the short term media hype leads to the greatest results. I would add to that: focusing long term, or even medium term as I do, requires a boat load less expenditure of mental energy, worry, and fear. Do I buy/sell more frequently than a long term investor like yourself? Sure. But I can't imagine being a day trader, focusing on charts all day, looking for candles and teacups, trying to figure out how to profit off the day's news. I think would go positively batty.
     
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  17. Rustic1

    Rustic1 Well-Known Member

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    Had anyone picked up on my tip and bought in they would be in some green with shares. The option side would be in some serious green.

    This runs ×3 of the index, for those that get bored with slow gains.


    I won't mention when I asked W about his feelings about oil and shipping stocks a week or so ago.
     
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    Emmet! Emmet! Emmet!
     
  19. gtrudeau88

    gtrudeau88 Well-Known Member

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    ???
     
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    i told the boss i'd watch the store. he should be happy. maybe i'll get a raise.
     
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