The Long Term Investor

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  1. oldmanram

    oldmanram Well-Known Member

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    WXYZ said "Looking at the USED prices.....this is ALSO a fascinating market. Like buying a house....over time the used models that are mainstream....go up in value. So eventually you have someone that...lets say purchased a Submariner in 1968 for $280.....now if it is in original but used condition...that watch may have a market value of $25,000 to $50,000.

    A VERY fascinating world out there in assets and collectables like these watches. I am NOT a watch person or collector....but in EVERY category of collectable or hard asset it seems that the NUMBER ONE RULE is to buy PROVEN QUALITY for which there is an ACTUAL resale market and proven values. If you are interested in comics, baseball cards, antiques, art, watches.....anything....and you know what you are doing and research the field....you can do very well financially and at the same time get to enjoy whatever it is for your lifetime or until it is time to sell it and move on.

    BUT....in all this stuff.....obviously....you need to do your research, know the market, avoid FADS and HYPE and stick with long time proven value."

    W , "VERY GOOD" point , I tell my daughters , (17,20,22, and with limited incomes) It's OK to buy something you want used , BUT , buy QUALITY
    it outshines quantity every time . Kind of like the market . Reminds me of when I first started out , I would look for those cheap stocks , because I could afford more shares , more times than not, the cheap shares went nowhere or worse .
     
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    WXYZ Well-Known Member

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    Yeah....oldmanram. We try to limit our collecting MANIA. We stick to Impressionistic American art and Western Art and some types of antiques.

    We had a number of Range Rovers over the years back in the 1980's and 1990's when they were rare to see in our area. We liked their off road capability plus the fact that they were built like tanks. Like ALL English vehicles they tended to have electrical issues. We bought a few new and a few used. The ONLY car we ever made money on.....well my son made the money....was a 1995 Land Rover Defender 90.

    When Land Rover announced that they were going to re-issue the car for the USA we got on the wait list. I think we paid in the neighborhood of about $45,000. It pissed my wife off that when we got to the top of the list and we were scheduled to get the next car......they suddenly gave our car to a Seattle Mariner baseball player.....and we had to wait for the next car. They were only available for a year or so than production stopped. We had that vehicle from 1995 to about 2010 and at that time gave it to our son....since it was his dream car. At that time it was worth more than we paid. He kept it till about 2018.......and at that point sold it for $95,000 to a dealer in California. At the time of the sale it had 1600 miles on it and was immaculate. A NICE TOY.......we enjoyed owning it....but those Land Rovers are/were high maintenance. I would not buy a modern Land Rover personally.....way too expensive.

    We tend to now buy CHEAP commodity cars and drive them into the ground.
     
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    YES.....quality quality, quality in used or collectable goods. The number one rule of collecting. Always buy the finest example of whatever it is that you can afford. Quality always beats quantity. BUT...it is hard for people to do this. People want to see a collection of numerous items....not just ONE item.....so they tend to go for quantity.
     
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    I love collectibles! I got into the field in 2012 when superstorm Sandy hit NY and I was out of some big gigs for the season. I panicked and rushed to find alternative ways to raise quick cash. Comic books and musical instruments mainly pro audio gear is what I had and I auctioned them on eBay.
    I was fascinated by how much interest those items gained with bidders, so I spent the next few months looking for similar items on craigslist, at the time there was an on going trend with buying on craigslist LOCALY (which usually translates to buying cheap) and selling globally for a higher price. That trend worked well particularly with iPhones.



    The video above is the one that got me into selling on eBay almost 10 years ago. I saved it for good memories :)

    So I adapted the same method and started looking for musical instruments and comic books locally. What I found out was that I made big money with musical instruments, but the percentage of profit and search results were MONUMENTAL with comic books in comparison. In other words, for every $1000 I spent on comic books I would make AT LEAST 10 times the amount in profit and I would come across MORE finds like these in the wild.
    Sure, selling a Neve pre-amp would have made me an instant $500 in a quick flip once I actually managed to find one, it’s not the same as moving HUNDREDS of comic books in 20-30 transactions, but the return margins and availability made me shift to searching and INVESTING in comic books.
    I also found out one other thing that comic books had an advantage on when compared to pro audio & cell phones. They accumulated value a lot quicker!
    So picture this - me buying a collection of silver-bronze age books for 1000$ and flipping the keys (keys are notable books in which popular character appeared in) for almost 10 times the amount of which I paid. Now I have access inventory sitting from that same collection which is not worth much.
    But because there’s such a large thriving community of collectors and endless supply of movies and show- those “worthless” books will GAIN value based on developing trends in the market. That got me into SPECULATING.
    And so now once I found a deal in the wild, I would hold on to the SPEC books and flip the ones that I believed have less room to grow. Just like the stock market. Value & growth were fundamental in the speculating decision making.
    There’s nothing quite like the collectible field. Whatever you pick. Be it a comic book, coin, card or watch.... There is so much DEPTH in that medium. The search, the thrill of the hunt, the investment, seeing your collectibles grow in value, having a beautiful hard asset at your fingertips validating your accomplishment. An unexplained feeling.
    Go for it W... try it and see if it’s something you will like... you’re a well rounded guy, you will be able to tell instantly if this is your thing
    or not
     
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    This being the weekend....here is a little article about a person....just for fun not advocating for or against her funds.....that has been in the news lately in the investing world. Interesting background and history......

    ARK’s Cathie Wood Disrupted Investment Management. She’s Not Done Yet.

    https://www.barrons.com/articles/ar...ment-management-shes-not-done-yet-51614992508

    "Andrew Michel, a 65-year-old product-marketing engineer, made a bold—many would say an imprudent—move last June. The longtime, typically conservative investor sold two-thirds of his retirement savings, which had been invested in broad-market index funds, and put the money into two red-hot ARK exchange-traded funds. Within a few months, he made enough for a down payment on a second home, in sunny Tampa, Fla. “I looked her up, and it all sounded really good,” he tells Barron’s. “I started investing with ARK just three days later.

    The “her” is Cathie Wood, who founded ARK Investment Management seven years ago, and joins our list of the 100 Most Influential Women in U.S. Finance this year. Michel’s is the sort of investor fanaticism that has made ARK a household name and Wood an unlikely celebrity. Her success seems very of-the-moment, but she has been laying the groundwork for years. She was early on many themes—she embraced active management when investing seemed inexorably tied to indexing; she implemented her stock-picking in active ETFs while the largest asset managers said it couldn’t be done; and she bought companies that others thought were overpriced, a joke, or both.

    It isn’t just that ARK’s actively managed funds have done well, although they have—phenomenally so: Last year, five of its seven ETFs returned an average of 141%; three were the top performers among all U.S. funds. Wood’s rise to star-manager status is reflective of today’s zeitgeist. Some of the biggest investing stories recently— Tesla (ticker: TSLA), Robinhood, Reddit, GameStop (GME), and Bitcoin—are about outsiders upsetting the status quo.

    “ARK is an outsider, too,” says John Rekenthaler, vice president of research for Morningstar. “Cathie Wood has been around, but this is a new company. There is a sense of outsmarting Wall Street, outsmarting convention.” Wood has a following on social media, which has fostered a sense of community and fandom akin to the Bogleheads or Buffett mania. The firm even acquiesced to demand for ARK merchandise (all sale proceeds go to a Covid-relief charity)

    ARK has taken in $37 billion in new money since the beginning of 2020, the third-highest inflow among money managers, behind only Vanguard Group and BlackRock’s iShares, each of which has hundreds of funds. The firm’s flagship ETF, ARK Innovation (ARKK), has grown more than tenfold within a year; it now has $22 billion in assets. ARK has $47 billion in all of its ETFs combined.

    Wood’s focus on innovative companies with technology to disrupt the way we live means that her portfolios are loaded with stocks that have skyrocketed—Tesla is a big holding in three of her funds. Other ARK holdings include Square (SQ), Teladoc Health (TDOC), Roku (ROKU), and Shopify (SHOP). Many have compared Wood to the star managers of the 1990s, who rode high as the tech-stock bubble inflated, and vanished after it burst.

    When stocks soar, there’s always the risk of them flying too close to the sun, and ARK Innovation is getting singed: It has dropped 23% in the past two weeks. “ARK funds are bull-market stories; they’re obviously going to do bad in a bear market. There’s nothing controversial about that,” says Rekenthaler. “These are highly aggressive, high-beta stocks.”

    “ I felt that the move toward benchmark investing had gone too far, and there was a void evolving in the marketplace having to do with innovation. ”

    Wood isn’t focused on short-term fluctuations. She takes a long, and bold, view—a year ago, she said that Tesla could reach a split-adjusted $1,400 a share in five years—and says we aren’t in a bubble today. The big ideas blossoming now were planted 30 years ago, she says: “We are ready for prime time now.”

    Wood, 65, bears none of Icarus’ hubris. Her parents immigrated to the U.S. from Ireland and settled in Los Angeles. Like many immigrant families, Wood grew up with education and career at the forefront. “I was raised as a firstborn son,” says Wood. “I was going to blaze the trail for my family.”

    Wood’s father served in the Irish army and the U.S. Air Force, and became a successful radar system engineer, who, according to Wood, was extremely detail-oriented and always sought to “peel the onion” in his work. He pushed Wood to discover connections between things. Wood’s mother, she says, was “very supportive” and “full of laughter and life.”

    Wood graduated from the University of Southern California with a degree in economics and finance. She landed her first job at Capital Group through her mentor, celebrated supply-side economist Arthur Laffer. She spent three years there as an assistant economist. In 1980, growth shop Jennison Associates was looking for someone to crunch economic data; Wood moved to New York and became its chief economist—at age 25.

    It was those days that truly shaped her skill for argument, Wood says. In the early 1980s, interest rates and inflation were in the double digits, and productivity and growth were collapsing. While most of the best-known economists of the time—including Henry Kaufman, known as “Dr. Doom,” and Milton Friedman—believed that inflation was embedded in the system, Wood thought interest rates had peaked.

    Spiros “Sig” Segalas, co-founder of Jennison and Wood’s boss and mentor, often brought in these economic luminaries to share their forecasts, and challenged Wood to debate them. “For four years, nobody believed us,” she recalls. “I would have to go up against Henry Kaufman one-on-one. I knew my numbers; I knew what I was talking about, but I had to convince them I did because of my youth.”

    Segalas calls her a “lady with unbelievable, unwavering conviction.” He installed Wood in a nearby office so he could pick her brain and tasked her with writing the firm’s quarterly letter. “She was by far the sharpest,” Segalas says. “She always made me look good.”

    Wood spent 18 years at Jennison, while raising three children. Interest rates began to decline in the 1980s, allowing tech companies more runway for growth, and setting the stage for a new era of innovation—featuring personal computers, semiconductors, and wireless capability. Wood decided that she wanted to become an equity analyst and portfolio manager.

    Wood looked at places that other analysts were ignoring. “I was like a little dog looking for scraps under the table,” she says. She found stocks that sat at the intersection of multiple industries, and weren’t followed by analysts from any side. This, she realized, is where innovation happens. Reuters, for example, was this mystifying “database publishing” company that collected data from financial companies and then sold it back to them in aggregate. Nobody understood this business model, so Wood took it up: “I just felt it was something big, and, of course, it was the precursor of the internet.”

    After leaving Jennison in 1998, Wood co-founded Tupelo Capital, a hedge fund; she joined AllianceBernstein as a portfolio manager and thematic research strategist in 2001, managing more than $5 billion. She continued to invest with strong conviction in high-growth, high-risk, smaller-cap stocks.

    Wood researched stocks with the same dogged determination she applied to economics. “Cathie is insatiably curious; she was a voracious consumer of research from all over the Street. She read everything from everyone,” says Lisa Shalett, Wood’s boss at the time, now chief investment officer for Morgan Stanley Wealth Management. “She was tireless; she works 24/7 to make sure the team has the most thorough research and differentiated view.”

    Wood’s portfolios performed very well in the bull market of the early 2000s, but they fell harder than the market during the 2008-09 financial crisis. “It goes without saying that Cathie’s strategies are vulnerable to going out of favor,” says Shalett. “When you have a liquidity crisis in the market or big changes in interest rates, all the holdings could move together. That doesn’t provide a lot of diversification for your clients.”

    Indeed, Wood’s high-octane style was putting off some institutions, and AllianceBernstein wanted guardrails on the funds. Her portfolios were often deemed too volatile, says Wood, and she was asked to make adjustments by owning indexes like the S&P 500. She disagreed: “I felt that the move toward benchmark investing had gone too far, and there was a void evolving in the marketplace having to do with innovation.” She saw that investors in private companies were willing to assign higher valuations to companies than stock investors who were wary of volatility. “We saw companies in the public market sometimes selling for just 10% of what private markets were willing to pay [for similar companies],” she says. “I thought there was a huge opportunity there.”

    Then came another sort of awakening. Wood was raised Catholic and considers herself a person of faith. She reads devotional literature and attends church. In 2006, when the housing bubble was not yet at its peak, Wood thought it was about to burst. She dramatically reduced the risk in her portfolios, and lagged behind the market. “A thousand basis points of underperformance was embarrassing,” she recalls.

    When she spoke to her spiritual advisers, however, it came to her: “You cannot worship any idol, and the benchmark has become an idol.” The next year, she made back much of the loss. But in prayer and meditation, she had the following revelation: “Benchmarks are all about successes in the past. God doesn’t want us to be stuck in the past. He wants us to move into the new creation.” That’s when she knew she had to start her own company: “I felt that a start-up could go out there and spread that message very loudly,” she says, “We were putting all our chips on the table.” In 2014, Wood left Alliance Bernstein and launched her firm.

    Wood named it for the Ark of the Covenant, a chest that in Jewish and Christian tradition holds the tablets bearing the Ten Commandments, although she told clients later that it was an acronym for Active Research Knowledge. She was on a mission to allocate capital to its best use—transformative technologies.

    For the first three years, ARK had no outside investors, so Wood personally supported the entire firm, paying for operating costs such as salaries and product-registration expenses. The firm had no office; everyone worked out of a public working space on their own computer. “There were a lot of people who doubted her, and a lot of friends were concerned, yet her confidence never wavered,” says Tom Staudt, one of the first employees of ARK and now its chief operating officer. “Cathie risked her personal wealth because she had that degree of conviction. I joined ARK purely because of Cathie; I was blown away by her vision.”

    ARK has remained lean. It has about 30 employees, and most are millennials. Wood wants to make sure that the staff has one foot in the new world, Staudt says. She also hired people with less experience in finance: Most employees on ARK’s investing side don’t have a Wall Street background or an M.B.A. Instead, they are experts in different industries, who are encouraged to “think differently, think long term, and think exponentially in a world that often falls hostage to short-term and linear thinking,” says Staudt.

    Before the pandemic, Wood would sit at her desk in the center of ARK’s Manhattan office, an open-floor space located on East 28th street. There are no cubicles, and Wood doesn’t have an office. Her desk has a tall chair—like those you’d see in a bar—and all other desks are arranged in a circle, so she could see and talk to anybody by simply turning her head. “She wants to create an investment process and culture where ideas can come from any and all people within the firm,” says Staudt.

    Wood’s belief in transparency is another reason she decided to start her own company. Most financial firms don’t allow portfolio managers and analysts to use social media to share their research or even gather information. At ARK, Wood created an open-source ecosystem, where the team can share research and collaborate with scientists, engineers, doctors, and other experts. “Most compliance teams would not be comfortable with that,” Wood says. “From the beginning, we said we are going to actively share the knowledge we’re generating,” says Brett Winton, who has worked with Wood since 2007, when they were both at AllianceBernstein. Winton was a thematic research analyst then; now he is the director of research at ARK. “Information attracts information. By providing our research to the world, we’ll get this reflection back on areas of disagreement or misunderstandings. It will make us better at understanding what’s happened.”

    Investors and peers like this open approach. “Most funds hide their investments; she doesn’t,” says Emma Vinarsky, a healthcare portfolio manager at Aleph Capital. “She’s very gutsy. She’s not afraid to take chances.”

    Michel, an investor for more than 30 years, tells Barron’s that he opened a Twitter account for the first time last year because of Wood: “It has been very informative learning about ARK through the stocks tweets out there.” ARK’s weekly brainstorming sessions are open for anyone to join, including industry experts and rival investors. Angela Dalton, an outside advisor of ARK and CEO of Signum Growth Capital, has been attending those meetings every Friday—both in-office and online—for the past four years. “She is the only person I’ve ever met to open this up,” says Dalton.

    Michel still has two-thirds of his retirement money in the two ARK funds, minus that down payment. He’s still working, owns some real estate, and will have a pension when he retires, so he’s ready to see where Wood’s vision takes his portfolio over the next two or three decades. But as interest rates creep higher and inflation concerns set in, investors begin to discount future value of these highflying stocks a bit more, which has caused share prices to fall. That, in turn, can prompt more selling.

    Wood isn’t concerned about ARK Innovation’s sharp pullback. Investors yanked nearly $700 million out from Feb. 24 to March 1; it recouped most of those flows in the next two days before turning negative again. Other ARK ETFs are seeing outflows, as well. ARK’s Winton says he suspects that most outflows are attributable to options strategies based on the funds. “Equities are more predictable over longer periods,” says Winton. “I don’t think it’s wise to try to anticipate what our strategies are going to do over the next two weeks, but a lot of people are placing implicit bets on exactly that.”

    Critics warn that the firm could end up a victim of its own success—it has attracted a lot of “hot” money that Wood must invest, potentially in areas she’s less excited about. Wood says capacity isn’t a challenge; ARK owns companies that Wood expects to return at least 15% annually, which means their shares will double in five years. “If we’re right, if these techs are truly on exponential trajectories, then our capacity should grow exponentially, as well,” says Wood. She notes that the explosion of newly public companies over the past year—especially those listed through special-purpose acquisition companies, or SPACs—have also provided ample new opportunities for innovation stock-picking.

    Michel, for one, firmly believes what Wood advocates—taking a long-term view and sticking with it through the downturns. “It’s the best time to buy when it dips,” he says. “Though the market goes down, it almost always comes back up. You just have to be patient.”

    Wood is still an unswerving debater and formidable thinker, says a former colleague who asked not to be named because of his firm’s restrictions on speaking to the press. “She can remember more facts and figures than anyone I’ve ever met. She has a tremendous head start in any debate because of the pure horsepower of her brain. Does that create overconviction? Yes, but it does for everybody.”"

    MY COMMENT

    It will be interesting to see how she does with her own firm......so far....pretty good. Definitely getting lots of great PR lately. As I said.....this is simply weekend interest material.....NOT recommending for or against her funds.
     
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    You give yourself too much credit. Wxyz has admitted that we might be entering a correction but I doubt he's changing his approach. Neither am I. The only thing you've inspired me to do is not be overly diversified. That is about it.
     
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    WXYZ Well-Known Member

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    Zukodany.....I love to read about collectables.....but most I will NEVER buy. Scotch, watches, shoes, purses, wine, cars, collectable cards, comics, space memorabilia, and on and on and on. It is amazing what people buy and collect. I find the markets and finances and dealers involved fascinating. You definately meet some interesting and eccentric people in any collecting area.
     
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    Until you post the results of all your trades oh Master, you have no credibility.
     
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    I hold my head in shame. :rofl:
     
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    gtrudeau88 Well-Known Member

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    From now on you are on my ignore list so that I won't even see your posts. You are a lot like Donald Trump and the best way to get rid of you is deny you your publicity. your air. I urge others to do the same and put you on ignore.
     
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    Perhaps Rustic's little birdie can tell him to fuck off sometime soon? He is quite the annoying little prick.

    I mean if the mods are alright with him jizzing in people's mouths, surely they are okay with me telling him to fuck off, yeah?
     
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    Stimulus bill passed should be in the works soon.
    Hopefully the yield curve will subside and the market and the economy can get back to work.

    Nice little dip recently and the NASDAQ is on sale.
    May be time to snipe a few at some good prices.

    Happy hunting, use caution.
     
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    Rustic1 Well-Known Member

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    Off the 52 week highs.

    Screenshot_20210306-171457_YouTube.jpg
     
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    WXYZ Well-Known Member

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    I like gtrudeau88 have him on ignore. Very nice I dont see any of the posts and as a bonus.....even if someone copies or quotes one of his posts....I can not see them.

    Actually....it is pretty funny........I can see in my mind the image of Jack Nicholson in "The Shining"....breaking the door in with the axe with that demented look on his face.......with the caption.....IMMMMMM BACKKKKKK.
     
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    HERE is yet another article on the.......in my opinion.....manipulation of the Treasury rates and stocks that is going on compliments of shorting the Ten Year Treasury.

    Bond Traders Go All-In on U.S. Treasury Market’s Big Short Bet

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bond-traders-u-treasury-market-210000113.html

    (BOLD is my opinion OR what I consider important content)

    (Bloomberg) -- It’s not just in meme stocks that the fate of short sellers is a key theme. Short bets are increasingly in vogue in the $21 trillion Treasuries market, with crucial implications across asset classes.

    The benchmark 10-year yield reached 1.62% Friday -- the highest since February 2020 -- before dip buying from foreign investors emerged. Stronger-than-expected job creation and Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell’s seeming lack of concern, for now, with leaping long-term borrowing costs have emboldened traders. In one telltale sign of which way they’re leaning, demand to borrow 10-year notes in the repurchase-agreement market is so great that rates have gone negative, likely part of a move to short the maturity.

    The trifecta of more fiscal stimulus ahead, ultra-easy monetary policy and an accelerating vaccination campaign is helping bring a post-pandemic reality into view. There are of course risks to the bearish bond scenario. Most prominently, yields could rise to the point that they spook stocks, and tighten financial conditions generally -- a key metric the Fed is focused on for guiding policy. Even so, Wall Street analysts can’t seem to lift year-end yield forecasts fast enough.

    “There’s a lot of tinder being put now on this fire for higher yields,” said Margaret Kerins, global head of fixed-income strategy at BMO Capital Markets. “The question is what is the point that higher yields are too high and really put pressure on risk assets and push Powell into action” to try and tamp them down.

    Share prices have already shown signs of vulnerability to increasing yields, especially tech-heavy stocks. Another area at risk is the housing market -- a bright spot for the economy -- with mortgage rates jumping.

    The surge in yields and growing confidence in the economic recovery prompted a slew of analysts to recalibrate expectations for 10-year rates this past week. For example, TD Securities and Societe Generale lifted their year-end forecasts to 2% from 1.45% and 1.50%, respectively.

    Asset managers, for their part, flipped to most net short on 10-year notes since 2016, the latest Commodity Futures Trading Commission data show.

    Auction Pressure

    In the days ahead, however, BMO is eyeing 1.75% as the next key mark, a level last seen in January 2020, weeks before the pandemic sent markets into a chaotic frenzy.

    A fresh dose of long-end supply next week may make short positions even more attractive, especially after record-low demand for last month’s 7-year auction served as a trigger to push 10-year yields above 1.6%. The Treasury will sell a total of $62 billion in 10- and 30-year debt.

    With expectations for inflation and growth taking flight, traders are signaling that they anticipate the Fed may have to respond more quickly than it’s indicated. Eurodollar futures now reflect a quarter-point hike in the first quarter of 2023, but they’re starting to suggest that it could come in late 2022. Fed officials have projected they’d keep rates near zero until at least the end of 2023.

    So while the market is leaning toward loftier yields, the interplay between bonds and stocks is bound to be a huge focus going forward.

    “There’s definitely that momentum, but the question is how well risky assets adjust to the new paradigm,” said Subadra Rajappa, head of U.S. rates strategy at Societe Generale. “We’ll be watching next week, when the dust settles after the payrolls data, how Treasuries react and how risky assets react to the rise in yields.”"

    MY COMMENT

    I just can NOT get all excited about yields of 1.5%, 2%, 3%, even 4% in Ten Year Treasuries when I have invested just about ALL my life with higher bond yields. The markets have a very nice way of digesting and discarding this sort of stuff quickly.......and move on.
     
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    WXYZ Well-Known Member

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    The current event of the week for me next week.....the passage of the Stimulus Act. it passed the Senate today and now has to get approved again by the house due to some minor changes. It is on track to be LAW some time next week. Time to see if the markets really care about the Stimulus or not.

    I suspect that it will not be a big event....it has been fully discounted for weeks now. BUT.....i hope I am wrong, i will take any gain I can get.
     
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    AS USUAL

    I am once again posting my PORTFOLIO MODEL. My initial criteria to start the process to consider a business are.......BIG CAP, AMERICAN, DIVIDEND PAYING, GREAT MANAGEMENT, ICONIC PRODUCT, WORLD WIDE LEADER IN THEIR FIELD, LONG TERM HORIZON, etc, etc, etc.

    PORTFOLIO MODEL

    "Here is my "PORTFOLIO MODEL" for all accounts managed which is the basis for MUCH of my discussion in this thread. I am re-posting this since I often talk in this thread about my portfolio model. My custom in the past on this sort of thread was to re-post my portfolio model every once in a while since I will tend to talk about it once in a while. I "manage" six portfolios for various family including a trust. ALL are set up in this fashion. If I was starting this portfolio today, lets say with $200,000. I would put half the money into the stock side of the portfolio, with an equal amount going into each stock. The other half of the money would go into the fund side of the portfolio, with an equal amount going into each fund. As is my long time custom, I would than let the portfolio run as it wished with NO re-balancing, in other words, I would let the winners run. Over the LONG TERM of investing in this style (at least in my actual portfolios), the stock side seems to reach and settle in at about 55% of the total portfolio and the fund side at about 45% of the total portfolio over time. That is a GOOD THING since it tells me that my stock picks are generally beating the funds over the longer term. AND....since the funds in the account generally meet or beat the SP500, that is a VERY good thing.

    As mentioned in a post in this thread, I include the funds in the portfolio as a counter-balance to my investing BIAS and stock picking BIAS and to add a top active management fund that often beats the SP500 (Fidelity Contra Fund) and a SP500 Index Fund to get broad exposure to the best 500 companies in AMERICAN business and economy. The funds also give me broad diversification as a counter-balance to my very concentrated 12 stock portfolio. At the same time the funds double and triple up on my individual stock holdings............that I consider the BEST individual businesses in the WORLD.

    STOCKS:

    Alphabet Inc
    Amazon
    Apple
    Costco
    Home Depot
    Honeywell
    Nike
    Microsoft
    Proctor & Gamble
    Tesla
    Nvidia
    Snow (100 shares, a rare, long term, speculative holding)

    MUTUAL FUNDS:

    SP500 Index Fund
    Fidelity Contra Fund

    CAUTION: This is a moderate aggressive to aggressive portfolio on the stock side with the small concentration of stocks and the mix of stocks that I hold and with the concentration of big name tech stocks. Especially for my age group. (71). So for anyone considering this sort of portfolio, be careful and consider your risk tolerance and where you are in your life and financial needs. I am able to do this sort of portfolio since my stock market account is NOT needed for my retirement income AND I have a fairly HIGH RISK TOLERANCE. In addition I am a fully invested, all the time, LONG TERM investor. (LONG TERM meaning many years, 5, 10, 20, years or more)"

    MY COMMENT

    This portfolio is HIGHLY CONCENTRATED on the big cap side of things. OBVIOUSLY between the funds and my twelve stock holdings there is MUCH doubling and tripling up on the stocks. THAT is INTENTIONAL. I strongly subscribe to the view of Buffett and some others that TOO MUCH diversification kills returns. I do NOT believe in the current diversification FAD that most people seem to now follow.......or think they are following. I DO NOT do bonds and think the current level of bonds held by younger investors.....those under age 50.....is extremely foolish.I DO NOT do market timing or Technical Analysis.

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  19. roadtonowhere08

    roadtonowhere08 Well-Known Member

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    It's probably better you do. Dude has some issues.
     
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  20. WXYZ

    WXYZ Well-Known Member

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    No doubt.
     

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