The Long Term Investor

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  1. Smokie

    Smokie Well-Known Member

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    The FED stuff is all we got. One of these days, far into the future probably, we can leave all of that behind. I can't be the only one tired of hearing it and seeing it. They could actually skip all of the drama and just drop a one liner of "0.75bps raised on Wed." End of story. Same for next month.

    As a long term investor and with my current plan, I could simply close the book on this year and not do a thing until this time next year or even the following year. About the only thing to do is add contributions all along the way, that's it. Whether the market is up, down, sideways, or zigs and zags doesn't really change my long term plan.

    I have seen a bunch of chatter in the news throughout the bear market about investors needing to change to this, change to that sector, rotate here, buy this and sell over here. Fast forward 10 years and some of those same investors will be wondering why they underperformed over the long term.
     
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    The new rates are out for Treasury I Bonds.

    Treasury Sets New Rate on I Bonds. It Dropped Nearly 3 Percentage Points.
    (Barron's).

    The new interest rate on Treasury series I inflation-linked savings bonds has been set at 6.89% for purchases made in the next six months.

    The rate, which is based largely on the change in the consumer price index from March through September, is down from a record 9.62% in the six months from May through October.

    The new rate, which was posted on the TreasuryDirect website Tuesday morning, will apply to purchases from now through the end of April 2023. The I bond rate consists of an inflation-linked rate of about 6.5% plus a fixed rate, which has been set at 0.4%. The rate on I Bonds gets reset every six months based on the change in the CPI index.

    The fixed rate is up from zero in the prior six months and may reflect the sharp increase in real, or inflation-adjusted, rates on Treasury inflation-protected securities or TIPS. The real yield on TIPS, which are bonds sold periodically by the Treasury with five-, 10-, and 30-year maturities, is up to about 1.5% from negative 1% at the start of 2022.

    The fixed rate of 0.4% will apply over the life of the I Bonds which mature in 30 years. This is a favorable feature since that rate of 0.4% will be added to the inflation rate component over the life of the bonds.

    Purchases of I Bonds surged last week ahead of a Friday deadline and the TreasuryDirect website, the only way to buy the bonds, strained under the unprecedented demand. There were about $1 billion of I Bond sales on Friday, a record, and that was nearly the total issuance of I bonds from 2018 through 2020.

    The Treasury issued about $3 billion of I Bonds last week and $7 billion in October, a monthly record that eclipsed the old mark of $5 billion set in May. Many individuals encountered delays last week or were unable to access the site.

    The main drawback with I Bonds is that individuals can buy only $10,000 per calendar year, although they can get another $5,000 in paper bonds from the proceeds of tax refunds and another $10,000 a year through certain partnership structures.

    I Bond interest is exempt from state and local taxes and the federal taxes can be deferred until the bonds mature in 30 years or when they are redeemed—an attractive feature.

    Investors must hold them for a year and lose a quarter’s interest if redeemed within five years. Interest on I Bonds accrues and is added to the value of the bonds rather than paid in cash.
     
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  3. WXYZ

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    Back from running around today. Not that I missed anything.....it was a red day for me. with the SP500 beating me today by 1%.

    My winners today were....NKE, NVDA, and TSLA. That is it......but better than nothing. I actually had a moderate loss day today. I still have a good portion of my cushion till I am back down to my low of the year......for the FORTH TIME. I seem to be stuck in a trading range....just like the general averages.
     
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    WXYZ Well-Known Member

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    Tomorrow is FED DAY.....it will be nice to get it out of the way early this month.
     
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    WXYZ Well-Known Member

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    Here is where we are headed tomorrow.......as if it is a big secret.

    Fed expected to again raise rates by 75 basis points then 'lay the ground for a step down'

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/fed-expected-to-again-raise-rates-223821317.html

    (BOLD is my opinion OR what I consider important content)

    "The Federal Reserve is widely expected to raise its benchmark interest rate by three-quarters of a percentage point for the fourth meeting in a row on Wednesday after two days of Federal Open Market Committee meetings.

    And after that, markets expect the central bank to come off its hawkish stance to lower inflation and slow down the pace of rate hikes unless data continues to show stubbornly hot inflation.

    “We do expect Chair Jerome Powell to… use the post-FOMC press conference to lay the ground for a step down in the pace of rate hikes,” Michael Pearce, senior US economist Capital Economics, wrote in a note to clients. “He could do so by acknowledging the slowdown in the real economy already underway and emphasizing the lags between slowing economic activity and weakening price pressures.”

    Some officials felt at the September meeting that central bank could slow the pace of rate hikes at some point and assess impact of previous rates hikes on inflation, according to minutes from the meeting.

    Pearce says as interest rates rise above a level of neutral — a level that neither spurs nor slows economic growth — he expects Fed officials to talk about balancing raising rates to cool inflation with the risk of raising rates too high and precipitating a recession.

    San Francisco Fed President Mary Daly recently laid the table for the Fed to slow down the pace of rate hikes, saying that the Fed should be talking about "stepping down" at some point when inflation data show signs of abating.

    "We might find ourselves, and the markets have certainly priced this in, with another 75-basis-point increase," Daly said at a meeting of the University of California, Berkeley's Fisher Center for Real Estate & Urban Economics' Policy Advisory Board last week. "But I would really recommend people don't take that away and think, well it's 75 forever."

    Data appear to point to signs that domestic demand is being pushed down by higher interest rates. Final sales to private domestic purchasers — a measure of consumer and business spending used to assess underlying demand in the economy — inched up at a 0.1% annual rate in the third quarter after rising 0.5% in the second quarter and 2.1% in the first quarter.

    Imports meanwhile, fell in the third quarter by nearly 7%, pointing to sluggish consumer spending.

    The job market is also cooling, with job openings falling sharply in August and the job quits rate trending lower while fewer new jobs being minted on a monthly basis. Economists project that Friday's job report will show that 200,000 nonfarm payrolls were created in October, a result that would be down from the 263,000 jobs created in September and down from the monthly average of 420,000 in 2022.

    There are also signs below the surface that inflationary pressures are easing. The employment cost index showed private wages and salaries rising by 1.2% in the third quarter, down from 1.6% in the second, pushing the annual growth rate down from 5.7% to 5.2%.

    The Fed is also aware of lags in the accounting of rents in the consumer price index. While rents and owners’ equivalent rents continue to accelerate in official CPI data, Apartment List, a private provider of rent data, showed rents declining in growth to 6% in October from a peak of 18%.

    “That is still too rapid for comfort," Pearce noted, "but the direction of travel is clear, and strongly suggests that a significant slowdown in CPI shelter inflation is eventually coming."

    Official measures of inflation aren’t easing as quickly as officials hope. The Fed’s preferred measure of inflation — the price consumption expenditures index (PCE) excluding volatile food and energy prices — rose by 5.1% in September and 6.2% on a headline basis. That’s down from 7% but still far from the Fed’s 2% inflation target. And the consumer price index — excluding volatile food and energy prices a stickier measure of inflation — rose by 6.6% in September, accelerating from 6.3% in August and 5.9% in July.

    “The November FOMC meeting is not about the November policy rate decision,” Bank of America analyst, Michael Gapen, wrote in a research note to clients. “Instead, the meeting is about future policy rate guidance and what to expect in December and beyond.”


    The Fed is projecting interest rates will need to rise to between 4.5% and 5% next year to bring inflation down toward the central bank's 2% goal. Once the policy rate reaches what the Fed feels is a sufficiently restrictive level, they would maintain that level for “some time” until there was “compelling” evidence that inflation was on course to return to 2%.

    “PCE, the GDP data all point towards the direction of the slowdown down to 50 basis points for the December meeting,” Wilmington Trust Chief Economist Luke Tilley told Yahoo Finance. “There’s even the possibility of slowing down more to 25 basis points depending on the data. I expect language from Chair Powell that guides markets towards a slowdown.”"

    MY COMMENT

    I have no speculation on rate increases after December. It is clear that December is going to be either 0.75% or 0.50%. I would...."guess"....that January will probably also be 0.50%. Beyond that.....who knows and who cares.
     
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    HERE....is the real news for many investors.

    Amazon sell-off pushes market cap below $1 trillion for first time since April 2020

    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/01/ama...n-below-1-trillion-first-time-since-2020.html

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    "Key Points
    • Amazon’s stock closed down Tuesday for a fifth straight day, falling to the lowest since April 2020.
    • Last week the company projected sales in the holiday quarter would be far below expectations.
    • The stock dropped 5.9% to $96.79.
    Amazon has exited the trillion-dollar club.

    Shares of the e-retailer plunged 5.9% on Tuesday, falling for a fifth straight day and closing at their lowest since April 2020. The sell-off has erased almost all of the stock’s pandemic surge.

    Investors continued to punish the company for last week’s disappointing fourth-quarter forecast. Amazon said revenue during the holiday quarter would grow 2% to 8% over the year-ago period, far below analysts’ estimates. The cloud division, Amazon Web Services, also reported weaker-than-expected sales.

    It’s the first time Amazon’s market cap has been below $1 trillion since April 2020. The stock has plunged 42% in 2021 and is on pace for its worst year since 2008, when it dropped 45%. The only other year that was worse was during the dot-com crash of 2000, when the company lost 80% of its value.

    Like the rest of Big Tech, Amazon has struggled this year due to a slumping economy, soaring inflation and rising interest rates. On top of that, Amazon has been forced to scale back after expanding dramatically during the pandemic, now that consumers have returned to stores.

    Amazon has been the second-worst performer in the Big Tech group this year, behind Facebook parent Meta, which has plummeted 72%. Meta told investors last week that revenue in the fourth quarter would likely decline for a third straight period"

    MY COMMENT

    It is IMPOSSIBLE to know what is going on with this company due to the hang-over from the covid lock-down and the bear market.

    As I have said in the past.....I have this company as a TWO YEAR WATCH. I am assuming that a couple of years will have us out of this bear market and out of the lock-down drag on companies. If that is true....I want to see a year or two of what this company is doing in a normal business environment in order to evaluate their business and ESPECIALLY the new managements ability to produce. I have STRONG doubts about Amazon at the moment.....much of it focused on the current management....but am not going to immediately sell.

    If they can not put up good numbers and show good management once we are back to relative normal....I will sell the stock.

    This company is in a very dangerous time period......the time when a FOUNDER leaves the company and turns over the running of the business to others. I have NOT seen anything so far to give me any confidence in the new management. The other issue is the fact that this is NOW a mature company. I need to see that they can continue to put up good earnings numbers as a mature business.

    Up to now they have had the benefit of the doubt and there have been many excuses for their performance. That will end some time over the next couple of years.
     
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  7. IndependentCandy14

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    Howdy WXYZ!
    I Hope All is Well in Your Neck of the Woods in Texas!

    I Can Sense your Frustration with Amazon.
    It has Practically been Dead Money for its Long Term Investors for the past 5 Years, and the past two earnings reports have not been great.
    There is No Dividend Either to “Up the Ante” if you will.
    Any New Investors who May have Purchased Amazon in 2020 to Mid 2022 would surely be in a Loss currently.

    At Least it is Holding up better than META; which is Down ~48% on the 5 Year Chart.

    The FAANG Stocks are Weighing on the Indices; I would not be Surprised to See them Rebalanced Soon.
    As Always, Just my Opinion.

    -IndependentCandy14
     
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    Smokie Well-Known Member

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    Interesting post in regard to AMZN. They have had a rough time. -42% for the year so far. I do not hold it in a individual position, but if I did I agree with your idea of putting it on notice. The management issues and straying so far from what has worked seems to be a big issue for them.
     
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    Seems like there is a report of some type released every other day in relation to jobs, spending, payrolls, housing, and on and on. It is no wonder people are obsessed with daily moves and speculation regarding the economy and even the markets. I've briefly read through some of them, most I don't even finish reading. So many numbers about every little detail, by the time you reach the end of the article you almost forget or get lost in the details.

    It's FED day, as if nobody knew.
     
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    YEP.....nothing matters today....it is simply the FED that will be the focus over the next couple of days. We might be green......we might be red....but either way it is all about the FED.

    Kind of SILLY actually....but that is how the short term works.
     
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    WXYZ Well-Known Member

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    Hi Independentcandy.

    Things are all good here. Well nearly.....I got my Shingrix...second shot....yesterday and the side affects are kicking my ass. Fever, chills, etc, etc. So I have not done much reading today.

    As to AMAZON........time will tell for them. I would not say that I am frustrated. BUT......I would like to get some clarity....which is impossible right now with the bear market and the post-covid distorted environment which continues to hammer the economy.

    One thing about me.....I am an EXTREMELY CLINICAL person when it comes to money and investing. I have no problem selling a stock when the time comes. With Amazon......I dont want to sell now since there is no clarity. So I have it on a...."mental"....two year watch. If or when I sell that stock.....or anything else actually.....I will just put the proceeds into the SP500 Index. That would allow me to STILL have fair exposure to Amazon....and ALL my favorite BIG CAP socks......in case my opinion turns out to be wrong.

    EVERY company eventually becomes a mature company. At that point the thing is....can they continue to operate at a high level and put up good numbers for the LONG TERM. A perfect example is COSTCO......that company went through a long time of extreme growth. But now.....for many decades they have been a relatively mature company.....but their management and their company operations......are exceptional year after year. They stick to what they do and have never seemed to lose track of what got them to this point in their business. They do what they do best....over, and over, and over, and over.
     
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    The good news for investors is that we are approaching the end of the big FED increases over the next few months. I would not be surprised to see the current bear market last for another 6-12 months minimum. On the other hand it could end with a bang and simply be gone before that. The economy is certainly strong in spite of everything. And....earnings continue to come in well...in spite of the past 2+ years of dismal predictions.

    I do feel like I am seeing DEMAND DESTRUCTION at the various regular places that I patronize.
     
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    This little article sums up much of my view......since I am ALLWAYS BULLISH on the long term future.

    Weekly Market Pulse: Rational Optimist

    https://alhambrapartners.com/2022/10/31/weekly-market-pulse-rational-optimist/

    (BOLD is my opinion OR what I consider important content)

    "I have often been accused over the years of being too optimistic and I will plead guilty to having a little rose-colored tint in my glasses. I am an optimist by nature and I search constantly for good things to write about. There are more than enough people out there willing to tell you the world is coming to an end, in more interesting ways than I could ever imagine. I don’t feel like I can add much to the doom and gloom canon. Besides, the sunny side of the aisle is pretty roomy right now. Come on over. Be an early adopter!

    Rose-colored my glasses may be but they don’t blind me to the potential problems investors face; I am a rational, realistic optimist. The Fed is going to meet this week and the course of the stock and bond markets, at least for a while, will be determined by what is decided at the FOMC meeting. That is not how this is supposed to work but it is the reality of the situation, at least for now. We should be concentrating on making long term investments that will benefit us, and the economy, instead of worrying about what some central banker might say. But in the age of the loquacious central banker, we will instead focus our attention on Jerome Powell. Sigh.

    Regardless of what Powell and the others on the FOMC do now, we should all remember that we are here, in this inflationary mess, because of their previous actions. Inflation is a monetary phenomenon and they are the folks in charge of monetary policy. They underestimated, by a wide margin, the price to be paid for financing $7 trillion in fiscal folly. Expecting them to now get things right is the triumph of hope over experience. A mistake now, to try and correct that last one, seems almost assured. The question, as with so many things in economics, is depth, how deep the gash of the economic slowdown. Parson Powell has already told us that we need to feel pain – repent, ye free spending consumers! – if we are to atone for his mistakes. The only question is how much he can inflict before the economy rolls over or the politicians call for his scalp.

    I personally think that slowing nominal GDP growth is going to prove challenging. If the Fed’s goal is to kill inflation by pushing the economy into recession, they’re going to have to overcome the huge pile of cash they left behind last year. Household and corporate balance sheets are remarkably liquid. Yes, there has been some drawdown in the “excess” savings of the COVID era, but it’s only about a quarter of the total so far. At the current pace, the “excess” will be gone in just 3 short years.

    The Fed may be able to scare people sufficiently with an economic slowdown to get them to pull back spending temporarily. But as soon as the economy starts to turn up, they’ll start spending again. And, since the savings rate generally rises during recession, they’ll replenish the pile of “excess” savings.

    But right now, the economy is slowing and the Fed is pursuing an aggressive tightening policy. The yield curve is almost entirely flat to inverted, the 3-month T-bill rate joining the rest of the curve, from 6 months to 7 years, in rising above the 10-year rate. The inversion of the 10-year/3-month spread has, in the past, heralded a coming recession. Of course, it tells us nothing about timing; the average lead time from inversion to recession in the last four recessions is 14 months. So, yes we’re on recession watch but we will need confirming signals to take action. We have a few now – LEI down six months in a row for instance – but there are important checkboxes, such as credit spreads, that remain blank.

    This isn’t a situation that demands immediate action. The trend of the dollar and interest rates is still up at this point and stocks are, despite this rally, still in a downtrend. An opportunity is likely to arise when one of those big trends changes. If it is because rates start to fall there will be an opportunity in bonds. If it is because the dollar gets in a downtrend the opportunity could be in gold or commodities. Stocks would likely benefit from stability, in rates and the dollar.

    I will expect to get emails this week about how I’m a Pollyanna because I have the gall to think of the US economy as, for lack of a better word, resilient. Imagine how negative the mood is if mere resilience is the optimistic view. Frankly, I don’t know how you could view the US economy as anything but resilient. It has taken a lot of abuse over the years, from monetary and fiscal authorities, and it keeps coming back for more. The US economy isn’t resilient because of the Federal Reserve or the Congress or the President. It is in spite of them."

    MY COMMENT

    Agree completely. The resilience in the economy and business is because of the POWER OF FREE MARKET CAPITALISM. It will be a sad day when or if our country ever abandons this system for anything else. Without a free market business system.....the ability of the average person to invest and grow their money for their family will be severely limited. At that point it will be government and others in power that determine the winners and losers. AND....as we have seen all though history they will be very STINGY with sharing....with the average family.

     
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    HERE is the economic report of the day....which no one will care about....since it is FED day.

    Private payrolls rose 239,000 in October, better than expected, while wages increased 7.7%, ADP says

    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/02/adp-jobs-report-october-2022.html

    MY COMMENT

    My total focus continues to be....EARNINGS and the ELECTION.....for the short term. I post this stuff.....but....the last thing I am going to let impact my investing is economic releases like this one.
     
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    Looks like the markets like the FED stuff today.....so far.

    Fed approves 0.75-point hike to take rates to highest since 2008 and hints at change in policy ahead

    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/02/fed...-to-the-highest-level-since-january-2008.html

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    "The Federal Reserve on Wednesday approved a fourth consecutive three-quarter point interest rate increase and signaled a potential change in how it will approach monetary policy to bring down inflation.

    In a well-telegraphed move that markets had been expecting for weeks, the central bank raised its short-term borrowing rate by 0.75 percentage point to a target range of 3.75%-4%, the highest level since January 2008.

    The move continued the most aggressive pace of monetary policy tightening since the early 1980s, the last time inflation ran this high.

    Along with anticipating the rate hike, markets also had been looking for language indicating that this could be the last 0.75-point, or 75 basis point, move. Specifically, some Fed officials along with Wall Street economists and strategists in recent weeks had talked of a “step-down” in policy that could see a rate increase of half a point at the December meeting and then a few smaller hikes in 2023.

    That language was not overt in the post-meeting statement from the rate-setting Federal Open Market Committee, though there was a tweak that could point to an adjustment in policy.

    This week’s statement expanded on previous language simply declaring that “ongoing increases in the target range will be appropriate.“


    The new language read: “The Committee anticipates that ongoing increases in the target range will be appropriate in order to attain a stance of monetary policy that is sufficiently restrictive to return inflation to 2 percent over time.“

    The statement reiterated that policy changes “will take into account the cumulative tightening of monetary policy, the lags with which monetary policy affects economic activity and inflation, and economic and financial developments.“

    Markets will look to Chairman Jerome Powell’s news conference at 2:30 p.m. for more clarity on whether the Fed thinks it can implement less restrictive policy that would include a less dramatic level of rate hikes to achieve its inflation goals.

    Along with the tweak in the statement, the FOMC again categorized growth in spending and production as “modest” and noted that “job gains have been robust in recent months” while inflation is “elevated.” The statement also reiterated language that the committee is “highly attentive to inflation risks.“

    The rate increase comes as recent inflation readings show prices remain near 40-year highs. A historically tight jobs market in which there are nearly two openings for every unemployed worker is pushing up wages, a trend the Fed is seeking to head off as it tightens money supply.

    Concerns are rising that the Fed, in its efforts to bring down the cost of living, also will pull the economy into recession. Powell has said he still sees a path to a “soft landing” in which there is not a severe contraction, but the U.S. economy this year has shown virtually no growth even as the full impact from the rate hikes has yet to kick in.

    At the same time, the Fed’s preferred inflation measure showed the cost of living rose 6.2% in September from a year ago – 5.1% even excluding food and energy costs. GDP declined in both the first and second quarters, meeting a common definition of recession, though it rebounded to 2.6% in the third quarter largely because of an unusual rise in exports. At the same time, housing prices have plunged as 30-year mortgage rates have soared past 7% in recent days.

    On Wall Street, markets have been rallying in anticipation that the Fed soon might start to ease back as worries grow over the longer-term impact of higher rates.

    The Dow Jones Industrial Average has gained more than 13% over the past month, in part because of an earnings season that wasn’t as bad as feared but also amid growing hopes for a recalibration of Fed policy. Treasury yields also have come off their highest levels since the early days of the financial crisis, though they remain elevated. The benchmark 10-year note most recently was around 4.04%.

    There is little if any expectation that the rate hikes will halt anytime soon, so the anticipation is just on a slower pace. Futures traders are pricing a near coin-flip chance of a half-point increase in December, against another three-quarter point move.

    Current market pricing also indicates the fed funds rate will top out near 5% before the rate hikes cease.

    The fed funds rate sets the level that banks charge each other for overnight loans, but spills over into multiple other consumer debt instruments such as adjustable-rate mortgages, auto loans and credit cards."

    MY COMMENT

    The talk by Powell will be the big factor today and tomorrow for the markets. We are at this moment.....about 15 minutes from that happening today.
     
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    My take on JP's little show. He is a poor public speaker. Seemed not very confident about their "soft landing." Also suggested the rate hikes will continue and not considering a "pivot" or pause anytime in the very near future. Kind of all over the place at times.

    It was evident the markets hung on every little thing he tried to talk about. Watching it live seeing the reaction to the speech...it was up and down in quick fashion.
     
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    One interesting part was when a reporter told him the markets were responding favorably early on and directly asked about his opinion of it. He stuttered and stammered for a bit and then came out a bit later and offered continuing the rate increases for sometime and not letting up anytime soon.

    When asked about the possibility of overtightening....basically said the FED has tools to get us out of recession if they break something as a result and referred to how they propped up the economy during the pandemic.

    I am not confident in their plan and they do not sound confident either.

    Again, that's just my 2 cents after watching it.
     
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    Well, the day ends with a resounding thud. Not that it was unexpected after all of the FED action. Doesn't change anything for my long term plan in regard to what they did or may do.

    SP 500 (-2.50%) DOW (-1.56%) NASDAQ (-3.36%)
     
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    They propped up the economy during the pandemic.....that is really funny. You are right Smokie....they dont have a clue what they are doing or why.

    It is like they have two goals.....neither of which have anything to do with inflation......CRASH the stock markets......and......CRASH the housing markets. Neither of these has anything to do with fighting inflation.
     
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    By the way...I hope you are feeling better WXYZ.
     

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