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  1. Smokie

    Smokie Well-Known Member

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    Once again (we) investors where told way back earlier in the year about this earnings season being a potential disaster. We were told just about every negative thing possible in the daily headlines. I remember it well. In fact, as one earnings season was just starting what were we told as the beats just kept rolling in? "Oh, well brace yourself for the next earnings coming up, it is going to be a dismal and dire report." We all waited and once again the beats came in better than predicted.

    It simply DID NOT happen. I suppose at some point the experts will be right, maybe it will be the next one. My point is this, do not base your investing plans on this type of pointless predictions. It serves no purpose. You are FAR better off researching and evaluating any company you choose to invest in. The data is out there to do so. Secondly, let the earnings speak for themselves and the company.
     
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    Half way through the day today......and....still looking good. The NASDAQ is up BIG. In fact the DOW is now ONLY down about 7% for the year. It definately has an outside shot at a positive year......outside......but not likely.

    As Smokie mentioned above.....EARNINGS are coming in just fine. Way better than predicted. Of course.....everyone is predicting a recession and bad earnings for 2023 and the forth quarter. My off the cuff prediction.....

    1. EARNINGS will come in much better than predicted for the forth quarter. The glut of inventory appears to be improving and the....so called "experts".....are just about always wrong. Business seems to be picking up steam when I look at the data in the current earnings. Most companies are STILL being very cautious....to negative.... on forward looking statements.....no one wants to get all carried away. BUT....that will greatly lower the bar and expectations going forward.

    2. I dont even see a recession happening in 2023. I think we have already gone through the recession.....from about January of this year till about August of this year. It was mild and we are now out the other side. Of course....the big factor here will be the FED. The question will be how much they are able to CRASH the economy and the housing markets and people's confidence in 2023. At this point it looks to me like people that are employed.....have money and are spending it. Wages are UP with the typical wage....even for lower paying service jobs is now.....$15 to $20 per hour. This is a HUGE increase from a couple of years ago......and from what wages were over the past 20 years. It is now possible for two people to make nearly $100,000 working two basic service jobs......like fast food. In most parts of the country this is a good income.
     
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    WXYZ Well-Known Member

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    BEWARE....the late day FED HIT-MAN....that will be sent out to tank the markets.
     
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    Regardless of feds, capitulation, etc etc
    Also regardless of the rise of stocks in the past few days overall….
    There are some MAJOR deals out there. Most of FAANG is heavily discounted. Tesla, NVDA… gosh… NVDA!!! That stock will climb so high ONCE chip shortages begin to stabilize your head will spin.
    1 or 2 more drops are quite frankly normal in the near future, but at least now we know that the declines of 22 were based on nothing but uncertainties and here say
     
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    WXYZ Well-Known Member

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    I had a good day today. I beat the SP500 by 0.81%. I also was totally in the green today with a nice solid gain.

    OBVIOUSLY there was much more power in the markets today than we saw at the close. The event in Poland tried to tank the markets. If it was not such a serious event.....I would speculate that the FED was behind it. They are so desperate to try to constantly tank the markets.
     
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    The QUANTS.....the source of the vast majority of the short term market insanity.

    Quants Forced to Shed $225 Billion of Short Bets in Big Squeeze

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/quants-forced-shed-225-billion-221532432.html

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    "(Bloomberg) -- Fast-money quants were effectively forced to buy an estimated $225 billion of stocks and bonds over just two trading sessions, as one of Wall Street’s hottest strategies in the great 2022 bear market shows signs of cracking.

    As cooling consumer price data sparked a cross-asset rally, trend-following traders were compelled to unwind short positions totaling about $150 billion in equities and $75 billion in fixed income on Thursday and Friday, JPMorgan Chase & Co. strategist Nikolaos Panigirtzoglou estimated.

    Given their notable firepower, Wall Street strategists are now touting the potential for further sharp market gains -- if these systematic managers such as Commodity Trading Advisors find themselves under pressure to hike their exposures anew.

    CTAs, which take long and short positions in the futures marketplace, may purchase $28 billion worth of stocks this week if benchmarks close largely unchanged, according to an estimate from Scott Rubner, Goldman Sachs Group Inc.’s managing director. Should bonds stand still, that could lead to $40 billion of purchases over the next week -- and potentially $100 billion in the next month, his model tracking various markets suggests.

    The projections signal an ongoing allocation shift among the rules-based cohort, who have netted historic gains by riding the inflation trade earlier this year, with bearish bets against shares and Treasuries combined with bullish exposures to the dollar and commodities.

    Most CTA AUM momentum is now positive and demand from this community is going to explode,” Rubner wrote in a note to clients Friday.

    Stocks oscillated between gains and losses Monday, with the S&P 500 starting the day in the red before rising as much as 0.4%. The index then dipped again in afternoon trading to close the session 0.9% lower.

    Getting a grip on the exact picture of the quant world is far from easy. Models built on subjective assumptions often spit out different numbers. A similar analysis by Nomura Securities International’s cross-asset strategist Charlie McElligott, for instance, showed that the systematic cohort bought a more modest $61.4 billion of stocks and $2 billion of bonds last week.

    Still, the analysis helps shed light on the fierce rally, one that many say was an over-reaction to the softer-than-expected reading in October’s consumer price index. At a minimum, the exercise illustrates the importance of tracking technical indicators such as fund positioning at a time when the fundamental picture remains murky.

    Up almost 6% last week, the S&P 500 has taken out some key trendlines, including its average prices over past 50 and 100 days. According to Goldman, CTAs likely stepped up purchases when the index recaptured the 3,804 level -- which flashed positive short-term momentum signals -- and 3,966, seen as a threshold of momentum over the medium term.

    If the sudden bounce endures, it will be a challenge to an industry that has thrived in a year where hot inflation and the Federal Reserve’s campaign to tame it became the anchoring force for asset performance.

    An index by Societe Generale SA tracking CTAs slipped for a sixth straight session through Friday. Down 5.2% over the stretch, the industry just suffered its worst bout of performance since March 2020.

    Kathryn Kaminski, chief research strategist and portfolio manager at AlphaSimplex Group, said it’s too early to call an end to the great inflation trade. The firm’s AlphaSimplex Managed Futures Strategy Fund (ticker ASFYX), which slipped almost 5% last week, is still up more than 38% this year.

    “The short-term relief trade looks counter to the past trend, but when we consider the longer term outlook there is still evidence based on Fed commentary this weekend and the overall level of inflation that this trend will not be over so quickly,” Kaminski said in an interview. “In simple terms, some of the key issues still remain and rates may still need to go higher to get to a more stable level of inflation.”

    Despite the buying binge, CTAs are far from being risk-on. Currently, the industry is neutral on equities and short on bonds, according to estimates from Deutsche Bank AG.

    “There is potential for them to add to both equity and bond positions as exposure to both is quite low,” Parag Thatte, a strategist at Deutsche Bank, said in an interview. But it “relies on their volatility continuing to go down and for the market to stay flat or up.”

    To JPMorgan’s Panigirtzoglou, the risk for the group is another market reversal.

    “Now that their shorts are largely covered, the bleeding would stop and they could start making profit if the recovery continues and start building up long positions,” Panigirtzoglou said in an interview. “The worse scenario for them is reversals, i.e. to start building up long positions over the coming weeks and then whipsawed by a market reversal.”"

    MY COMMENT

    I am not surprised that these people are riding along with the FED in their trading.

    I would bet that the majority of the QUANT MODELS are nothing more than a micro second link to every news source there is........with vast computer programing to trade off the news feed.

    In other words.....I dont think these people have any real expertise or knowledge of he markets.....they are just trading the news.......on a split second basis.

    Sounds like their glory days or the bear market are coming to an end. With the markets now harder to digest....they are going to be at risk of being caught on the wrong side of the trade.
     
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    This is what we faced earlier in the afternoon.

    Dow turns negative in afternoon trade Tuesday after report of Russian missiles hitting NATO member Poland

    https://finance.yahoo.com/m/c24f59dc-815d-323c-ad99-f475815df196/dow-turns-negative-in.html

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    "U.S. stocks trimmed earlier gains, with the Dow turning negative, after a news report indicated Russian missiles crossed into Poland, a NATO member. The Dow Jones Industrial Average DJIA, +0.17% fell 137 points, or 0.4%, to trade near 33,388, a decline from its near 34,000 intraday trading peak, according to FactSet data. The S&P 500 index SPX, +0.87% was up 0.1%, while the Nasdaq Composite COMP, +1.45% was 0.7% higher, both well off the session's best levels. Stocks appeared to be reacting to a news report that a senior U.S. intelligence official had said Russian missiles crossed into Poland, a NATO member country bordering Ukraine, killing two people."

    MY COMMENT

    This held the markets to a much smaller gain than we would have seen. I believe there is now.....therefore.....significant pent up demand to the UP side since the rally was prematurely SQUELCHED today by a knee jerk reaction to a minor world event. Jumpy, jumpy, jumpy.

    I will be very interested to see if we get some outsized carry through tomorrow.

    One event on the calendar for tomorrow is the NVDA earnings.
     
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    All in all considering the news from Poland.....it was yet another.....BEAUTIFUL DAY in the markets.
     
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    A nice GREEN day. It appears we lost a bit of momentum when the Poland/Russia news broke, but recovered some of it as the afternoon went. Of course this will require confirmation, as Russia has already denied it (big surprise). If confirmed, this will put NATO countries in a position that they have not been in since this event started.

    Update edit: Apparently it may have been a Ukraine air defense missile that landed on Poland side of border. At least that is the latest report. Still not a good deal, but better than the original reports coming out yesterday.
     
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    The Rail Road contracts/strike deadline continue to resurface. Apparently, all three unions have rejected the latest offers and have a deadline of December 4. Hopefully, this will eventually get resolved.

    U.S. Chamber urges Congress to avert rail strike, extend Boeing 737 MAX deadline
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    WASHINGTON (Reuters) -The U.S. Congress should prevent a potential rail strike and extend a Boeing 737 MAX 7 and 10 certification deadline before lawmakers end work for the year, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce urged on Tuesday.

    The largest U.S. business group noted that three rail unions have rejected a rail contract since October, and warned in a letter that a strike would be catastrophic for the economy, costing $2 billion per day.

    The International Brotherhood of Boilermakers (IBB), which represents about 300 rail employees, rejected an agreement on Monday. Railroads and unions have agreed to extend a potential strike deadline until at least Dec. 4.
     
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    Apparently, the Energizer (ENR) bunny really does keep going and going and.....gets a beat on earnings.

    • Battery-maker Energizer Holdings Inc (NYSE: ENR) reported fourth-quarter FY22 sales growth of 3.2% year-on-year to $790.40 million, beating the consensus of $774.92 million.

    • The gross margin for the quarter contracted 40 basis points to 36.1%.

    • Selling, general and administrative expenses fell 1.4% to $120.1 million.

    • The company held $205.3 million in cash and equivalents as of September 30, 2022.

    • Adjusted EBITDA of $146 million increased 7.4% Y/Y.

    • Adjusted EPS of $0.82 beat the analyst consensus of $0.78.

    • Outlook: Energizer expects FY23 organic revenue to increase low single digits. It expects low single digit declines for reported revenues.

    • The company sees FY23 Adjusted EPS of $3.00 - $3.30 versus the Street view of $3.25.

    • ENR expects Adjusted EBITDA of $585 million - $615 million, up approximately 10% on a currency-neutral basis at the mid-point.

    • Price Action: ENR shares are trading higher by 7.26% at $31.75 on the last check Tuesday. (Yahoo Finance).
     
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    Lowe's (LOW) gets in a beat this morning.

    Lowe’s reports revenue increase, beating Wall Street’s expectations
    (CNBC)

    Lowe’s reported third-quarter earnings on Wednesday that beat analysts’ expectations, with revenue up compared to the same period last year.

    The home improvement retailer also updated its guidance, lowering the top end of its revenue outlook to approximately $97 to $98 billion for the full year. The previous top end was $99 billion. Lowe’s also cut guidance for comparable sales to be flat or down 1%, compared with earlier this year when it expected it to be down 1% to up 1%.


    Here’s what Lowe’s reported on Wednesday compared with analyst expectations, based on a survey of analysts by Refinitiv:

    • Earnings per share: $3.27 vs. $3.10
    • Revenue: $23.48 billion vs. $23.13 billion
    Revenue was up 3% compared with the same period last year.

    Shares of Lowe’s rose more than 2% on light volume in premarket trading Wednesday. The stock, which is down more than 19% so far this year, rose Tuesday following rival Home Depot’s earnings report.

    The company said its earnings were driven by 19% growth in its professional segment, and that its do-it-yourself sales improved. Lowe’s added its website sales grew 12%.

    Lowe’s will discuss the results on its earnings conference call, set for 9 a.m. ET Wednesday.


    Lowe’s earnings report comes a day after Home Depot’s third quarter earnings beat analyst’s estimates. On Tuesday, Home Depot said its professional and do-it-yourself sales had positive growth during the period, adding that professionals have said their backlogs remain strong.

    Home Depot executives on Tuesday had noted the company was “navigating a unique environment,” and was unable to predict how rising costs and other pressures were affecting its customers. The company said that while its customer transactions were down, it had higher ticket prices driven by inflation.
     
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    Target (TGT) misses on their earnings....
    (CNBC).

    Target’s profit fell by around 50% in its fiscal third quarter as it cleared through unwanted inventory and sales slowed heading into the holidays, prompting the company to lower its expectations for retailers’ most important time of year.

    The company also said Wednesday it plans to cut up to $3 billion in total costs over the next three years, citing the need to become more efficient after two years of dramatic sales gains. The retailer’s revenue has grown by about 40% during the Covid pandemic.


    Target did not specify how it will reach its savings goal, but said it does not have plans for layoffs or a hiring freeze.

    The company’s shares were down about 15% in premarket trading. The stock closed about 4% higher Tuesday after rival Walmart posted a positive earnings report. Target’s shares have fallen more than 22% this year and its market value is about $83.38 billion.

    Here’s how Target did for the three-month period ended Oct. 29, compared with Refinitiv consensus estimates:

    • Earnings per share: $1.54 vs. $2.13 expected
    • Revenue: $26.52 billion vs. $26.38 billion expected
    Target saw sales decline as families contended with higher prices, making trade-offs between what they need and what they want – a potential warning sign for the holiday shopping season. Target Chief Growth Officer Christina Hennington said customers’ price sensitivity intensified during the last two weeks of October.

    “It was a precipitous decline and, frankly, we’ve seen those trends in the early part of November as well,” she said on a call with reporters.
     
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    WXYZ Well-Known Member

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    Poor Target.....they had a BIG miss on earnings. I dont have any interest in this company an dont follow it. I dont see them as a top tier retail company. They are the go-to store for the suburban moms and women that do not go to Walmart in my area. We go thre once in a while since the Walmart close to us closed years ago. The Target store near us.....even with no competition.....is never very crowded. Definitely better merchandise than Walmart.....especially the women's clothing and the home goods. They even have a small grocery area. But in my mind they are second tier.
     
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    Lowes did well on their earnings.....and are being rewarded at the open today. Again....I have no interest in this stock so I dont follow them. In my mind they are the definite......number 2......to Home Depot. since I have been a long time owner of Home Depot....I have no interest in Lowes.

    In both these earnings reports today.....Target and Lowes.....it is the guidance, as usual....that is the big driver of the stock going forward. Right or wrong.....the markets are totally focused on guidance at the moment.....even though many companies appear to be intentionally lowering expectations as a strategy.
     
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    Looks like retail sales inched up for October...apparently shoppers went to WMT instead of TGT.:)

    U.S. retail sales beat expectations in October

    WASHINGTON, Nov 16 (Reuters) - U.S. retail sales increased more than expected in October, boosted by purchases of motor vehicles and a range of other goods, suggesting that consumer spending could help to underpin the economy in the fourth quarter.

    The Commerce Department said on Wednesday that retail sales rose 1.3% last month. Data for September was unrevised to show sales unchanged. Economists polled by Reuters had forecast sales accelerating 1.0%, with estimates ranging from as low as a 0.1% drop to as high as a 2.0% jump. Retail sales are mostly goods and are not adjusted for inflation.
     
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    I like this little article.....some history and information on the 401K. I remember very well the adaptation of the 401K in the business world....as companies used it as a means to abandon having to do pension plans.

    Lost Retirement Horizon: Why 401(k)s Are Not OK (and Not Just Because of the Lousy Economy)

    https://www.realclearwire.com/artic...t_because_of_to_the_lousy_economy_864500.html

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    "Fretting over your 401(k) lately? For all the current turbulence in these retirement plans – from their rocky recent market performance to asset managers' politicization of their investments through the "environment, social and governance" agenda – the main problem lies in their flawed design decades ago, a range of retirement experts say.

    They say many retirees – particularly the less well-off – are losing out because the tax-advantaged accounts favor the well-compensated who are better able to save; also, because of the plans’ temptingly relaxed borrowing rules, typically high fees, complexity, and a presumption of investing competence on the part of ordinary workers.

    “This system works fine for the top third of income earners, but not well for the middle- and lower-income earners,” says Alicia Munnell, director of the Center for Retirement Research at Boston College.

    Yet as traditional monthly pensions have largely disappeared for private sector workers, American retirement security more than ever hinges on 401(k)s. In an illustration of how they’re failing, Deloitte Global, the accounting and consulting firm, estimates the retirement savings shortfall for Americans at nearly $4 trillion, as relatively few employees are able or inclined to fully exploit these optional savings vehicles.

    Worse yet, few plans offer much, if any, protection against market declines, as any 401(k) investor can attest this year. There are no retirement income guarantees in the 401(k) world. And in the face of such uncertainties, the guarantee of a modest monthly federal Social Security check, the other leg of retirement finance, is cold comfort for many indeed.

    An Accident of History

    Investment experts explain how we arrived at this pass starting with an accident of history. 401(k)s were never intended as a mainstream retirement vehicle. What happened was that a benefits consultant named Ted Benna in the late 1970s discovered an obscure section of the U.S. tax code that allowed employers to offer an extra fringe “defined contribution” retirement savings benefit, mostly aimed at higher-income employees who could afford to put aside significant savings and avail themselves of employers’ matching contributions and expert investment advice.

    During the 1980s, only 8% of American workers had 401(k)s. But over the decades they have grown into a $7 trillion industry as many companies embraced Benna’s insight, concluding that they were cheaper and easier to manage than defined-benefit pension plans. Now some 43% of U.S. employees are offered 401(k) or similar plans, as pensions have virtually disappeared.

    Federal legislation compounded the bias toward higher earners. Professor Michael Doran of the University of Virginia Law School faults Congress for expanding 401(k)s by offering higher contribution limits and more generous tax breaks for those who don’t really need them. His recent paper “The Great American Retirement Fraud” contends that despite “reforms costing the government tens of billions of dollars that began in 1995, retirement savings have remained flat for middle-income households and even decreased for lower-income households, after accounting for inflation.”

    Although overall 401(k) savings have climbed in recent years, the bulk of the gains went to the upper tiers of income, Doran found. In defined-contribution plans such as 401(k)s, 403(b)s, and 457s, employees are rewarded when they make contributions along with any internal gains in the plans, both of which are tax-free until eventual withdrawal. The more you contribute, the greater the tax break upfront – a big incentive to reduce taxable income for high earners. It was easy for Congress to tweak laws to allow people to contribute more without creating better plans for middle- and low-income workers who could less afford to save.

    The legislation has repeatedly raised the statutory limits on contributions and benefits,” Doran found, “all to the benefit of affluent workers and the financial-services companies and retirement-plan service providers that collect fees from retirement plans and retirement savings. The result has been spectacular growth in the retirement accounts of higher-income earners but modest or even negative growth in the accounts of middle-income and lower-income earners.”

    Not Features, but Bugs

    Along the way, Congress created 401(k) features that have actually proved to be bugs in the retirement ointment. It made it easier to borrow or withdraw funds from the 401(k) kitty – an obvious disincentive to saving (in contrast with old-style pensions, which couldn’t be tapped before retirement). In doing so, account holders often face steep federal income tax penalties.

    Layoffs and other disruptions of the pandemic accelerated withdrawals from 401(k)s, when Congress allowed workers to withdraw up to $100,000 from retirement accounts without being subject to the 10% early-withdrawal penalty. Reacting to the pandemic’s numerous financial challenges, some 92% of employers allowed “hardship” withdrawals from 401(k)s, up from 78% in 2019, reports the Plan Council Sponsor of America (PSCA), which has been doing employer retirement surveys for the past 64 years.

    As a result, more than half of those surveyed by Bankrate said they are behind on their retirement savings.

    Even before that, federal law was already flexible on accessing 401(k) funds: Workers can spend 401(k) funds to buy a first home, pay medical bills, and avert foreclosure through hardship withdrawals. A recent study suggested that 401(k) balances may be drained by as much as 31% at age 60.

    Moreover, nearly 50,000 businesses slashed their 401(k) matching contributions during the pandemic, although many have since restored their match. Some 86% of plans surveyed offer a matching contribution as of last year, the PSCA notes. Small businesses were most likely to make the cuts. All told, although estimates vary widely, some 22% of workers surveyed said they tapped their 401(k)s during the pandemic, according to the Transamerica Center for Retirement Studies.

    401(k)s Cost Too Much

    Then there are the expenses of 401(k)s, widely viewed by financial advisers to be unnecessarily high with few exceptions.

    Defined-contribution plans are managed by financial services companies – primarily through mutual funds – and that means layers of fees mostly charged to employees. Be they managers mutual funds, insurance companies, brokerage firms, or banks, their expenses are buried in annual percentages of assets under management called “expense ratios,” even though the U.S. Department of Labor requires that employers disclose fees.

    Meantime, personal portfolio and risk management is left to individual account holders, who, research shows, consistently make money-losing decisions (see “Encouraging Money-Losing Decisions” below).

    Overpriced, inferior funds will actually eat up total retirement savings over time because workers don’t have the option of choosing funds in their employer’s 401(k) – they are limited by their employer’s selection of funds.

    The simple math on how much the high fees can eat into retirement savings is indisputable and dramatic: An increase of 1% in your 401(k) plan fees and charges could reduce your retirement earnings by 28%, according to FINRA, the federal regulator of the U.S. securities industry.

    Let’s say you invested $100,000 in a large-stock fund over 30 years. At a 7% annual return, you’d have $483,727 after three decades if you left your money invested for that period of time in a fund charging 1.5% in annual expenses.

    Lower your annual fund expense ratio to 0.5% and your final balance would be almost $655,000. Expenses still ate up $100,000 of your contributions – even in the low-cost fund – so you can see how lucrative 401(k)s are for financial services firms. That was cash that was not invested and compounding in your retirement kitty.

    By comparison, the high-cost option took more than $250,000 in fees and lost opportunity cost, that is, money that couldn’t return a dime for you because it went to a third party and wasn’t invested. (Do the math yourself online with Bankrate.com’s mutual fund fees calculator.)

    The good news is that, due to intense competition in the money management business, you – and your employer – can find rock-bottom expenses on nearly every kind of fund. But here’s a catch: Some of the big asset managers offering ultra-low-cost exchange-traded and mutual funds – including BlackRock and Vanguard – are also advocates of controversial “environmental, social and governance” investing favoring broader social goals over traditional shareholder value. Such political activism is opposed by many investors and regulators in conservative states. Investors willing to do the painstaking research required could find themselves conflicted, facing appealingly low expenses on the one hand and a political investing approach with which they disagree on the other.

    There are 10 funds that charge no management expenses for their exchange-traded stock funds. You can find bond-index funds for as little as 0.03% annually, according to the ETF database. Generally, low-cost, static, big-basket index funds don’t trade their holdings and can perform better over time than actively traded funds. The performance difference is largely due to lower fees and avoiding active-trading losses.

    But finding these cheaper funds on your own doesn’t mean that your employer will offer them in your 401(k). They are usually limited by what a single financial service company will provide (usually the company’s own “proprietary” funds). These may even load up extra layers of fees through “fund classes” or other poorly disclosed expenses such as “revenue sharing” that will erode your retirement savings. Unless employers absorb fund expenses – most do not – they have little financial incentive to shop for low-fee funds.

    The reason smaller plans charge employees high fees comes down to profit. Your 401(k) plan’s average account balance may impact the fees you pay. Joseph Valletta, publisher of the 401k Averages Book, says “our data finds that average account balance is one of the key drivers of 401(k) plan costs.”

    “Plans with larger average account balances will be able to generate more revenue per participant than a plan with a smaller average account balance,” he explains. “For example, a $5 million plan with $50,000 average account balance costs 1.19%, which translates to $595 [in revenue] per participant, while a $5 million plan with $10,000 average account balance costs 1.48%, which translates to $148 per participant.”

    Ironically, on the expense issue, Congress has taken care of itself and federal employees through its Thrift Savings Plan (TSP), a giant defined-contribution plan. The TSP not only clearly discloses and explains all expenses; the total fees on their funds range from only 0.043% to 0.053%. Note where the decimal point is. These funds are a super bargain for federal employees, although private plans are generally charging exponentially more.

    Small plans, typically under $5 million in assets, typically extract high fees from employees. According to 401ksource.com, which tracks plan fees, a plan with $500,000 in assets, for example, may have an average annual expense ratio of 2.23%, which is an onerous internal tax on participants. Broken down, 1.59% goes to investment managers and recordkeepers and 1.06% to “revenue sharing,” a hidden cost that is an incentive for intermediaries to place funds within a plan.

    While fund fees have declined overall in recent years, usually the larger the plan in terms of assets, the lower the expenses. A plan with $50 million in assets and 1,000 participants will pay an average 0.88% annually, 401ksource reported. Someone who has invested $100,000 over 30 years and is investing $1,000 monthly at 7% annual return would have an ending balance of about $1.2 million in the more expensive, smaller plan, compared with nearly $1.6 million in the larger one.

    Litigation Blossoms

    Not surprisingly, there’s been pushback on high 401(k) fees by employees in recent years.

    Employers have faced multiple lawsuits over high fees and poor performance. In legal parlance, litigators representing employees argue that employers have often violated their “fiduciary duty” under federal law to select managers to prudently manage employee funds at a reasonable cost.

    More than 90 lawsuits against employers for faulty 401(k)s were filed in 2020 alone. The suits alleged that employers “breached” their fiduciary duty by offering high-cost, low-performing funds. The litigation has also cited inclusion of company stock in 401(k)s, an ultra-risky investment – particularly if the company’s shares tank. The once-giant retailer Sears, for example, was sued in 2017 “for allegedly encouraging participants in its 401(k) plan to buy company stock despite well-publicized struggles that have battered Sears shares since 2014,” according to The Wall Street Journal.

    Employers have also been sued for conflicts of interest within plans, such as “self-dealing,” where the benefit of fund managers is placed above employees, and excessive third-party administrative fees and record-keeping, typically the least transparent expense.

    It's no surprise that 401(k) suits have come in waves, usually after major market or economic declines, since defined-contribution returns are directly linked to markets. When stock and bond markets fail to provide consistent returns, high fees sting employees even more since 401(k)s don’t guarantee returns in volatile market environments. More than 100 new 401(k) suits were filed in 2016 and 2017, following an earlier wave in 2008 and 2009 in the wake of the market meltdown and recession in those years.

    Many of the suits target investment choices, which are loaded with extraneous fees, conflicts of interest, and often higher risk. To address that issue, fund complexes have offered “lifestyle” or “target-date” funds (TDFs), which are baskets of pre-packaged funds designed to offer a “glide path” to retirement at given years. All of these funds, however, impose two layers of fees that erode returns. They may even come up short on performance and vary widely in risk profiles.

    “Excessive risk lawsuits should be the next wave (of lawsuits),” says Ron Surz, a long-time critic of mainstream TDFs and president of Target Date Solutions.

    Encouraging Money-Losing Decisions

    Handing the complicated decision-making of personal investing to unsophisticated employees has consistently hurt their ability to save enough for retirement. Because employees are free to trade at will – often without much guidance – they often make the worst decisions and lose money in their 401(k)s. In recent decades, a body of Nobel-winning economic research has proven that investors rarely act in their own best interest when it comes to investing on their own.

    Individuals consistently underperform the market, particularly in their 401(k) accounts, according to research by Dalbar, which has been studying personal investment returns for the past 27 years. What many investors do is sell during downturns and buy during upswings. That means they lock in losses when they could be buying shares at a discount, which is how professional investors make money.

    Dalbar estimates the gap between what individual investors returned versus a static index of stocks was 2 percentage points during the first half of last year, when many investors bailed during market swoons and the pandemic. “This would come back to haunt the average equity fund investor,” the Dalbar report stated.

    Since little education on risk management or investing is required for employees, they are likely going to repeat their missteps over time and lose even more money.

    Last year, for example, some $7.3 billion flowed out of stock funds, according to Alight Solutions, which tracks 401(k) trading. That money was mostly moved to bond and “stable value” funds during a year in which the broad Bloomberg Barclays Bond Index lost 1.54%. Stocks, as measured by the S&P 500 Index, gained nearly 29% in 2021, thanks to a market rebound. It’s hard to know how much money was lost by moving 401(k) funds, but it was substantial; losses further needlessly eroded 401(k) balances.

    Richard Thaler, who won the Nobel Prize in Economics in 2017, discovered that investors, when given free rein over their investments, tend to make bad choices based on behavioral biases. They get scared about losing money, so they make rash trading decisions, i.e., they sell low and buy high. They think they know what’s going to happen in markets based on the day’s headlines. Many – mostly men – are overconfident in making these decisions. And they tend to contribute too little or nothing at all, which results in inadequate retirement savings.

    Working with UCLA Professor Shlomo Benartzi, Thaler developed a 401(k) program called Save More Tomorrow (SMarT), which automatically enrolls workers in a 401(k) when they start with an employer, then increases their contributions with every raise. They found that the SMarT program tripled 401(k) savings over a two-year period.

    While no employer is required by federal law to automatically enroll participants, today more than half of employers – mostly those with more than 5,000 employees – offer auto-enrollment 401(k)s. Better yet, of those offered this plan design, 65% of those surveyed report they saved more. Workers who don’t have to make a decision about whether to contribute and then increase their contributions later clearly fare better than those faced with an array of personal choices.

    Congress Slow on the Uptake

    Despite all the flaws noted in the 401(k) system, Congress tends to do the same thing: raise contribution limits, which is great for higher earners who can save more. Due to inflation, the IRS recently upped 401(k) contribution limits for 2023.

    But Congress also has been slow to grasp innovations in the marketplace to improve retirement savings. A bill slowly moving through the legislature – nicknamed “SECURE 2.0” – proposes auto-enrollment features, along with other enhancements such as expanding a “saver’s credit” for lower-income workers.

    As with previous efforts to improve retirement contributions, the legislation would allow workers to contribute more. The bill does not address high fees or “middlemen” expenses. There is no “universal” savings plan proposed that would emulate the government’s superior Thrift Savings Plan (see above) or that would provide plans for those who are self-employed or who are not offered defined-contribution plans through employers (a handful of states do this).

    Can the 401(k) be fixed? Many defined-contribution advocates think so, starting with making 401(k) transfers to new employers easier when employees switch jobs, instead of options such as a tax-triggering cash-out. Another proposal would allow workers to simply convert their 401(k) lump sums into fixed-payment annuities when they retire.

    “Seamless plan-to-plan portability would not only help participants avoid cash-out leakage, but it would also save participants time and money in managing their retirement savings, and position them for the transition to retirement income,” says Tom Hawkins, vice president for 401(k) Clearinghouse.

    There is active lobbying within the 401(k) industry to support changes that would boost savings for most Americans. The truth is that millions will not be able to enjoy a comfortable retirement from Social Security alone, which provides as little as 42% of pre-retirement income. Proponents of 401(k)s argue that defined-contribution plans can supplement the often-meager income from Social Security.

    For anyone other than a career minimum-wage worker, Social Security benefits are too low to provide a comfortable retirement and must be supplemented by either a traditional pension plan or the worker’s own retirement savings,writesDavid John, a former senior research fellow for the Heritage Foundation.

    “This situation will be made even worse by Social Security’s coming financial problems that will make it difficult to pay full promised benefits to everyone.”"
     
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    Interesting post on the 401k. What I have found surprising when I have visited with some friends that have 401k's, is the lack of education/guidance provided by employers as well. They are simply left on their own to figure the whole thing out. A couple of them literally had no idea on what to select or how to evaluate what the options were. Some did some research, but were still not very confident and ended up selecting multiple things/funds that were not necessary. And the fees began to add up quickly.

    I have also seen others that do receive some guidance and assistance through employer plans. I suppose it may depend on the employer, but there are truly some that are just winging it so to speak.

    I have a pension, so I don't know what is common practice for employees with the 401, I always assumed they got some kind of help, but I have came across some that claim they get zero guidance or any direction. It made me wonder how many are really going about it blindly. I would like to think most would be serious enough to research or at least reach out to someone about it.
     
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    To continue on the 401K article......I had to leave briefly after posting the article......there is no incentive on the part of companies to provide education or anything else. They dont want liability and they dont want the expense and obligation to provide anything. That is why they got out of pensions.....to lower cost and obligations.

    What should tell you all that you need to know is that.....GOVERNMENT.......for the politicians.....still does the traditional pension with very LIBERAL benefits. In addition many government units also offer an option......in addition to the pension.....that is similar to the 401K. They KNOW that the nice government pension with very liberal lifetime benefits is far superior to the 401K. AND......they dont care about cost like a private business would.

    It used to be....they would explain the very hefty pension as a benefit for taking a lower salary as a government worker. Those days are long gone with government workers.....especially the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT......now making very BIG salaries.

    You can BET that the government and the politicians would switch immediately to a 401K if it was to their advantage......it is not.
     
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    WXYZ Well-Known Member

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    HERE is the market today.

    Stocks sink as retail sales beat, Target earnings miss

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/stock-market-news-live-updates-november-16-110658430.html

    (BOLD is my opinion OR what I consider important content)

    "U.S. stocks fell Wednesday morning as Wall Street weighed an earnings warning from retail bellwether Target against government retail sales data that showed robust consumer spending ahead of the key holiday season.

    The S&P 500 (^GSPC) slumped 0.4%, while the Dow Jones Industrial Average (^DJI) hovered below the flatline. The technology-tracking Nasdaq Composite (^IXIC) dropped 0.8%.

    The Commerce Department said Wednesday retail sales jumped 1.3% in October as Americans shelled out for food, gas, and big-ticket items last month despite inflationary pressures. Economists surveyed by Bloomberg expected a headline increase of 1.0% after activity was flat during the prior month.

    A strong print may derail the market’s uptrend, with investors likely to interpret robust spending as a sign to Federal Reserve policymakers that aggressive rate increases can continue.

    All eyes were on Target (TGT) as it plunged 15% following a third-quarter earnings report that came in off by a wide margin and weak guidance for the holiday quarter. The retailer was pressured by a slowdown in consumer spending on discretionary merchandise and said store looting reduced its gross profit margin by $400 million so far this year.

    “In the latter weeks of the quarter, sales and profit trends softened meaningfully, with guests’ shopping behavior increasingly impacted by inflation, rising interest rates and economic uncertainty," Target Chairman and CEO Brian Cornell said in the earnings release. "This resulted in a third-quarter profit performance well below our expectations."

    In other pockets of the market, the U.S. dollar lost ground while oil gained slightly as geopolitical jitters eased after a Russian-made missile struck Poland Tuesday and reignited fears over an escalation of Russia's war in Ukraine. President Joe Biden met with NATO allies Wednesday at the G20 gathering in Bali, Indonesia, and defused concerns while asserting U.S. officials will support Poland as it investigates whether the missile was fired from Russia.

    Back in domestic territory, equities have so far held up this week after a lighter CPI reading Thursday spurred an outsized relief rally. October’s Producer Price Index (PPI), another key inflation gauge, rekindled that optimism in Tuesday's session, along with comments from Federal Reserve members in recent days that suggested a possible slowdown in rate hiking.

    We should all keep in mind that Fedspeak is pretty disparate at the moment, and you can get a hawkish or dovish point of view depending on which official you ask,” Mike Loewengart, head of model portfolio construction at Morgan Stanley’s Global Investment Office, said in a note. “The market is also digesting just how much inflation is affecting the consumer, with key retail earnings beating expectations and retail sales coming.”

    On the earnings front, retail earnings other than Target's have so far topped analyst estimates.

    Home improvement store Lowe’s (LOW) beat analyst forecasts Wednesday. Shares rose 3% at the open even as the company trimmed the top end of its full-year revenue guidance.

    Megastore Walmart (WMT) benefited from more value spending by customers pinched by inflation and a "significant” improvement in its inventory glut, while higher prices helped offset fewer transactions at the Home Depot (HD). And TJ Maxx parent TJX Companies (TJX) lifted its sales forecast after reporting strong third-quarter demand.

    Another round of peers in the sector are still on deck to report, with results from Victoria's Secret (VSCO) due out Wednesday. Nvidia (NVDA) is another major headliner on the earnings docket."

    MY COMMENT

    SUPPOSEDLY.......the markets are down today due to the Target earnings. I dont really buy this......but......if true.....it is typical that the markets ignore all the good earnings that have come out last night and today and focuses on a NICHE RETAILER (suburban women).....Target.

    All in all the news is actually very positive. Immediate earnings from a good number of big companies have been good this week.......and.....the broad swath of earnings for the third quarter have also been very good considering the economy and expectations.

    We are seeing the TYPICAL short term over reaction to a few news items that we have been living with all year. Much of this market BS is being now driven by the negative financial media......which is now mostly uneducated speculation and opinion.

    REGARDLESS or what anyone says short term.....I am very encouraged........for the LONG TERM.....by what has been going on for the past 3-6 months.
     

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