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  1. zukodany

    zukodany Well-Known Member

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    Nice open this morning, but seems like the markets just turned red, too early to make a judgement. Non of these nuances matter to me, I still feel that our economy is strong, just worried about election next year.
    As far as Russia is concerned, does anyone here has any doubt that Russia got played by AI interference? This is what happens when you do not keep up with technology. You may have the most powerful military and mercenaries in the world, but if your intelligence game is lacking you will suffer major blows and wouldn’t even know what hit you when confusion ensues.
    We see major intelligence battle tactics in the Middle East almost daily in Israel, their tech and AI reach is second to non, I have no doubt that this is now the weapon of choice by the EU and US armed forces.
     
  2. Smokie

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    Looks like we begin our week with all three of the index in the red. There was some green out there in some individual stocks depending on what you may own though, so not a complete loser day.

    There are still some decent buys (companies) out there in some areas.
     
  3. Brownbrody

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    Care to share some of them?
     
  4. Smokie

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    Hey Brownbrody.... I guess what I was getting at was we have obviously seen some of the chip and tech lead us out of the valley this year and some of these other companies/sectors will probably soon follow as the market continues to gain confidence as we go along. Others will join the party at some point.
     
  5. zukodany

    zukodany Well-Known Member

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    Hey brownbrody, if indeed we’re heading for a lull, then wait for the week to pass and get in on the magnificent 7. U can probably do so now, but if you’re trying to get some head start wait for those tech giants to shed some weight (maybe 10-15%) and get in for the long run.
    Uber did ok today and so did SLG. I don’t own either of them, but nice to see them doing good on a rather dismal day
     
  6. WXYZ

    WXYZ Well-Known Member

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    One quick post before I have to head out to the studio today.

    Hitting 'reset' on the US recession countdown: Morning Brief

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/hitt...ession-countdown-morning-brief-102042203.html

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    "The first half of 2023 will come to a close on Friday.

    And when it does, one of Wall Street's big predictions for 2023 will officially be a bust — the stock market did not fall and the US economy did not enter recession.


    When the year began, we flagged a "surprising consensus" among Wall Street strategists, many of whom expected a dip in the stock market in early '23 as the economy fell into a downturn before a rebound over the second half of the year.

    Instead, investors have been treated to a stock market rally accentuated by AI hype, a pause in the Fed's rate hikes, a cooldown in inflation, and growing optimism that a seemingly inevitable recession may be forestalled.

    And writing in a note to clients on Monday, Neil Dutta at Renaissance Macro pulled no punches when taking to task his peers on the Street who have called for an impending recession for a year.

    "Wall Street has had recession on the brain since at least mid-2022," Dutta wrote. "Analysts have a tendency of falling in love with their forecast, and it is clear some are having trouble letting go even as evidence piles up to the contrary. Strong jobs growth? Late cycle! Rally in US equity markets? We had a big rally in mid-2008 too! None of these arguments stand up to scrutiny."

    Dutta added: "There is only so long one can keep claiming that the recession is just six months away. The statute of limitations has now kicked in. There are several reasons to be upbeat on the US economy. The recession clock has been reset."

    In Dutta's view, the housing market, easier financial conditions, and falling inflation boosting spending power are among some of the reasons to be upbeat on the US economy.

    And in looking at the housing and auto markets specifically, we see the crux of the argument, with Dutta writing, "the Fed has been tightening for 18 months already, and it is the cyclical-credit sensitive areas of the economy that have shown improvement of late — housing and autos!"

    Yes, people are always spending money on their cars and homes.

    But because these are large purchases, most consumers are financing (read: borrowing money) these expenses. When the economy is slowing down, or on the verge of doing so, we'd expect these categories — what Dutta calls the "cyclical-credit sensitive areas" — to be slowing.

    Instead, we see the opposite today.

    Confidence among US homebuilders is on the rise as demand for new homes improves.

    Auto sales in May rose nearly 20% over the prior year, the most in two years.

    Neither the housing nor auto market, of course, is a story as simple as the two stats cited above.

    But calls for a near-term recession, in Dutta's view, have a hard time overcoming the reality that the US economic story is transitioning from "resilience" to outright growth again.

    "There is cyclical momentum under the economy that is making near-term recession risks fade rapidl
    y," Dutta wrote.

    "You cannot talk about late cycle dynamics with housing turning up and inventories likely to follow. There will be no recession in the next six months, and it is increasingly likely that we’re not seeing one in the next year either.""

    MY COMMENT

    YEP......the MORONS.....the so called experts.....WRONG AGAIN. This is a HUGE miss for all the professional market callers.

    YES......there is no recession.

    This statement above says it all:

    "Analysts have a tendency of falling in love with their forecast, and it is clear some are having trouble letting go even as evidence piles up to the contrary. Strong jobs growth? Late cycle! Rally in US equity markets? We had a big rally in mid-2008 too! None of these arguments stand up to scrutiny."Dutta added: "There is only so long one can keep claiming that the recession is just six months away"

    Of course.....you have been hearing the "correct" view on this thread for about 6-9 months now.
     
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    WXYZ Well-Known Member

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    NO......this is NOT the role or the job of the FED. This sort of thinking is DELUSIONAL.

    Federal Reserve's message to the bullish stock market: We will break you

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/fede...stock-market-we-will-break-you-130024015.html

    "Not watching stocks tick by tick sometimes has its benefits.

    That's where I am at right now after spending a week in sunny Cannes, France, with my Yahoo colleagues covering the Cannes Lions.

    We laughed, we didn't cry, we talked to big names such as Kevin Hart and Pinterest CEO Bill Ready about business matters and we ate incredibly fresh food that oddly didn't seem too inflationary. I even tried to dance at a late-night party (it was for business, people).

    One thing we didn't do was pay attention to stocks every waking second. It felt as refreshing as the ocean water I let touch my calves during a 15-minute break after we wrapped taping on Thursday. At least for me, that market detox has proven incredibly helpful as I get back to reality in increasingly warm New York City.

    My blunt view on markets: The Fed is trying to club the bulls over the head to remind them who is boss. It may be wise for those bulls that have made bank on AI stocks, tech names like Microsoft, and of course Tesla, to respect the mighty club of the Fed and pull in their horns for a bit.

    Sentiment has shifted on Wall Street to begin the summer, thanks in large part to new information from the Fed. The Fed's pause on raising interest rates a few weeks ago has spooked investors as it's clear a pause doesn't mean no more rate increases. Powell's testimony last week added further fuel to the view that two more rate hikes are coming this year to wrangle inflation, perhaps much to the detriment of the economy.

    I expect a similar hawkish tone to emerge from Powell's two speeches later this week.

    "One of the big stories this year is that central banks continue to surprise the markets with either more rate hikes or hints of more to come," proclaimed Bank of America economist Ethan Harris.

    Harris is on the mark with that observation and is right in questioning the markets' resilience amid those negative surprises.

    "Markets have also proved remarkably resilient with only a mild tightening of financial conditions. Despite the rapid game of catch-up by central banks in the past year, there have been very few financial 'accidents.' The one potentially serious shock — the stress in US regional banks — seems to have been ring-fenced with very aggressive actions from regulators. It is striking how strong global equity markets are relative to their pre-COVID levels," Harris added.

    Widely respected Goldman Sachs strategist David Kostin has also laid the groundwork for more near-term pressure on markets as investors stew on Fed confusion.

    "While our baseline view remains that the S&P 500 will rise by 3% to 4500 by year-end, the narrow market rally, elevated valuations, and stretched investor positioning represent downside risks," Kostin wrote in a weekend note.

    Continued Kostin, "If corralling inflation requires the Fed to implement additional hikes to the policy rate, stocks with 'quality' attributes like strong balance sheets, low volatility, and high returns on capital should outperform."

    That's a counter vibe to the risk-taking bullishness that sent markets to records just a few weeks back and the likes of Nvidia to a $1 trillion market cap.

    Fight the Fed at your own risk...but let it be known I didn't fight the currents on the beach in France. I went back to my towel to soak in some sun — which was the correct move."

    MY COMMENT

    Unfortunately the current FED seems to have the view that TRASHING the stock markets is somehow fighting inflation. In reality that is a TOTAL WASTE OF TIME. It will not impact inflation in the slightest.

    It does allow the FED to claim they are doing something. The stock markets are NOT the economy and the economy is NOT the stock markets. They need to leave investors and markets alone. It is NOT their mandate to fight and trash the markets. In fact it is is simply RIDICULOUS that the FED has any mandates at all. We don't need a bunch of political, ivory tower, economist MORONS, trying to control and guide the USA economy. IT never worked out well in RUSSIA and it will not work here.
     
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  8. Smokie

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    A couple of economic reports today for those that follow some of it.

    New home sales rise more than expected in May
    New home sales rose more than expected in May despite stubbornly high mortgage rates, according to data Census Bureau data release Tuesday.

    The data showed sales rise to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 763,000, far exceeding the 675,000 estimate expected by economists polled by Dow Jones. (CNBC).

    Consumer confidence improved more than anticipated in June
    The outlook from consumers brightened more than expected in June even with an expected recession on the horizon, The Conference Board reported Tuesday.

    Consumer confidence for the month rose to an index value of 109.7, up from 102.5 in May and better than the Dow Jones estimate for 104. That was the highest reading since January 2022.

    New questions focused on household finance showed 30% of families expecting their situations to improve in the next six months against just 14% seeing worsening conditions. The survey also showed a decline in those expecting a recession, though still at 69.3% from the 73.2% in May. (CNBC).
     
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    A nice day of green out there to close out the day.
     
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  10. zukodany

    zukodany Well-Known Member

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    What a day. What an economy. The economy WINS against the feds all day any day, this is no longer just the “magnificent seven”, this is airlines (del), cruise lines (ccl), real estate (SLG)… in other words - the 493!talk about real estate - wow! Home sales are up 20%
    U cannot bet against the US economy… even if you’re the fed!
    Up 2.08% today… this party is just getting started folks!
     
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    WXYZ Well-Known Member

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    You guys did a MASSIVE job on the markets today. Thanks for the gains. I had one of my largest gains in a while today. ALL my stocks were UP nicely except for GOOGL. I also got in a good beat on the SP500 by 0.58%.

    Keep up the good work tomorrow.
     
  12. WXYZ

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    I will be tied up in the studio again tomorrow for 12 hours.....8:00 to 8:00. We will wrap it up tomorrow with six songs done.....if we can stay on track tomorrow. After that over the rest of the year we will add four more songs as time allows and do all the mixing and mastering, etc, etc. Release will be some time early in 2024.
     
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    WXYZ Well-Known Member

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    I guess this was the day today.....I missed it all.

    US STOCKS-Wall Street closes higher as upbeat economic data allays slowdown fears

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-stocks-wall-street-closes-205647690.html

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    "June 27 (Reuters) - U.S. stock indexes rebounded on Tuesday from a recent losing streak as upbeat economic data soothed investor worries about an imminent recession triggered by the Federal Reserve's aggressive interest rate hikes.

    Separate reports showed new orders for key U.S.-manufactured capital goods unexpectedly rose in May, and sales of new single-family homes surged in the same month, while U.S. consumer confidence increased to a near 1-1/2 year high in June.

    The data gave investors a reason to buy back into stocks after a "pretty vicious correction" in the last several sessions, said Mark Luschini, chief investment strategist at Janney Montgomery Scott in Philadelphia.

    "What we have today is this series of economic releases that on balance fit this setting of an economy that continues to be in an expansionary mode, without at the same time suggesting there's any condition that's running too hot."

    And just days before the second quarter ends, Luschini said it was notable that some the top sector performers on Tuesday, such as consumer discretionary and technology , were also the market's biggest gainers on a year-to-date basis.

    While the economic data was encouraging, Rhys Williams, chief strategist at Spouting Rock Asset Management, said the market was likely helped by so-called window-dressing, when fund managers add outperforming assets to their portfolio for their quarter-end statements.

    "You'd a bad week in the stock market last week and a bad day on Monday. It's just a bit of recovery," said Williams. "There could be some quarter-end window-dressing too as we get close to the end of the quarter."

    The blue-chip Dow Jones Industrial Average snapped a six-day losing streak on Tuesday while the tech-heavy Nasdaq Composite was eyeing its best first-half performance in 40 years and the S&P 500 advanced after falling in five of the last six sessions.

    The Dow Jones Industrial Average rose 212.03 points, or 0.63%, to 33,926.74; the S&P 500 gained 49.59 points, or 1.15%, at 4,378.41; and the Nasdaq Composite added 219.90 points, or 1.65%, at 13,555.67.

    The signs of U.S. economic resilience also boosted the Dow Transports index, which closed up 2.7% and the small-cap Russell 2000 index, which advanced 1.5%.

    And the PHLX Housing index closed up 2.99% after hitting an all-time high on Tuesday.

    Traders were pricing in a roughly 77% chance the Fed will raise interest rates by 25 bps to the 5.25%-5.50% range in its July meeting, according to CME Group's Fedwatch tool, up from 74.4% a day earlier.

    More economic data is expected this week, including a key inflation measure, as well as Fed Chair Jerome Powell's speech at the European Central Bank Forum in Sintra, Portugal, which could provide cues on the path of interest rates.

    Powell's hawkish comments last week stalled a U.S. stock rally that had pushed the S&P 500 and Nasdaq to an over one-year high and the Dow to a six-month peak.

    Despite recent market weakness, a growth stocks rally, an upbeat earnings season and hopes of the Fed ending its monetary tightening soon have set the main indexes on course for quarterly gains.

    Market heavyweights Microsoft Corp and Apple Inc were among the biggest boosts to the S&P 500 during the session, along with Amazon.com Inc, Tesla Inc and Nvidia Corp.

    Meta Platforms Inc shares rose 3% after Citigroup raised its price target on the stock.

    Snowflake climbed 4.2% after the cloud data analytics company announced a partnership with Nvidia to allow customers to build artificial intelligence models using their own data.

    Walgreens Boots Alliance shares sank 9.3% as the pharmacy chain cut its annual profit forecast on lower demand for COVID-19 tests and vaccines.

    Other drugstore chains, including CVS Health Corp and Rite Aid Corp, also fell.

    Lordstown Motors Corp shares slumped 17.2% after the U.S. electric truck manufacturer filed for bankruptcy protection and put itself up for sale.

    Advancing issues outnumbered decliners on the NYSE by a 2.55-to-1 ratio; on Nasdaq, a 1.54-to-1 ratio favored advancers.

    The S&P 500 posted 46 new 52-week highs and one new low; the Nasdaq Composite recorded 64 new highs and 150 new lows.

    On U.S. exchanges 10.16 billion shares changed hands compared with the 11.63 billion average for the last 20 sessions. "

    MY COMMENT

    I even see some commentary calling the past week and a half a CORRECTION. This time span is NOWHERE near being a correction. That is BS.

    We are seeing good results spreading through the economy and business. In a few days we start the third quarter and the second half of the year. It should be good.....with the usual UP and DOWN time periods. In other words.....NORMAL.
     
  14. WXYZ

    WXYZ Well-Known Member

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    Looks like the little BLACK SWAN that tried to rise up in RUSSIA has FIZZLED. We are free and clear of that event and the markets did not care at all. We move on from here........ONWARD AND UPWARD.
     
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    As I was taking a peak at some of the financial news this morning, I was reminded why I try to ignore most of it. As I was looking...bam!!, a red ticker pops up with "breaking news."

    Powell says more ‘restriction’ is coming, including possibility of hikes at consecutive meetings. JP is speaking at a policy forum in Portugal apparently. LOL...I say.

    I immediately chuckled and thought...How is this possibly breaking news. This was just discussed a bazillion times a week or so ago. There is nothing new about any of that. Once again it just shows how silly some of this can be. And the "breaking news" with the whole flashing red ticker...give me a break.
    Anyways, thought I would share a good example of "noise." :horse:
     
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    For you chip investors. Might be of interest. When the government gets involved, I can't help but think they will muck something up. I get the whole China thing. I remember back sometime ago the US passed the CHIPS Act and we are trying to do better here, which is a good thing.

    Not much info in the below report about the details.

    US considering new restrictions on AI chip exports to China, Wall Street Journal reports

    June 27 (Reuters) - The United States is considering new restrictions on exports of artificial intelligence chips to China, the Wall Street Journal reported on Tuesday, citing people familiar with the matter.

    Shares of Nvidia (NVDA.O) fell more than 2%, while Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) (AMD.O) fell about 1.5% on the news in extended trading.

    The Commerce Department will stop the shipments of chips made by Nvidia and other chip companies to customers in China as early as July, the report said.

    Nvidia, Micron, and AMD are among the U.S. chipmakers caught in the crossfire between China and the Biden administration.

    In September, Nvidia had said that U.S. officials asked the company to stop exporting two top computing chips for artificial intelligence work to China.

    Months later, Jensen Huang-led Nvidia said it will offer a new advanced chip called the A800 in China to meet export control rules. The company also tweaked its flagship H100 chip early this year to comply with regulations.

    But the new curbs being mulled by the department would ban the sale of even A800 chips without a special U.S. export license, the report added.

    The Commerce Department did not immediately respond to a Reuters request for comment. (Reuters)
     
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    Speaking of noise. While cruising through some financial media wasting some time, I see the "R" (recession word) is now getting coverage in all directions. I came across at least three different points. One suggesting by the end of the year, one speculating not at all, and one fortune telling probably in (3) three years. Say what???

    At least they have all of their bases covered. I guess with that kind of coverage you can't be wrong. Somebody get out the damn Magic 8 ball and settle this.:)
     
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    As I understand it, we are technically out of the recession but things aren't going all that great. We had been essentially treading water for a while but the GDP seems to be moving forward again.

    Personally, I see signs of strengthening. I don't expect our economy to catch fire any time soon but I think slightly improved times are in the near term.
     
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    That horse left the barn some years ago. China has acquired all of the pieces via corporate espionage and plain old experience building. You just can't have someone else do all of your work and expect to know more than they do.

    The winner of this policy looks to be Intel.
     
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    zukodany Well-Known Member

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    Weird day today, not much going on, yet I did manage to snag a 0.29% gain today.
    I still think that more gains are on the way as I don’t see any indication of any serious interference from the feds or geopolitical tensions. Economy seems very stable.
    What can possibly go wrong???
     
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