The Long Term Investor

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  1. WXYZ

    WXYZ Well-Known Member

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    Thank goodness we are now done with HUMP DAY......we move on from here.....as usual.
     
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    zukodany Well-Known Member

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    I don’t think that a sell off based on NOTHING is a bad thing, it’s actually a very healthy thing, it shows you that people still NEED to make money off the stock market. We wouldn’t be in this if we didn’t. It further gives long term investors opportunities which is an additional bonus. I’d take an “august” sell off over a “major event” sell off any day
     
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    WXYZ Well-Known Member

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    It was certainly a sell off over nothing. I expect that at worst this little market over-hang will last through Friday. At best it will end today. This is about a two or three day little story line in terms of the markets.

    My personal view is it is a NON-EVENT. simply a market reaction to a day to day news item. Most of the losses were generated by AI PROGRAM TRADING........normal for a news item drop. The guts of the investing world....the silent majority.....the little people....did NOTHING to cause or contribute or prolong the drop. They sat and watched.

    We move on today to the APPL and AMZN earnings after the close. Good or bad or neutral those stories will help to take us back to a normal market environment.
     
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    Here is another middle finger to the downgrade. I am seeing lots of opinion makers saying the same this.....it is not relevant and ridiculous.

    Fitch Gets Bored in August, Downgrades US Citing Old News

    https://www.fisherinvestments.com/e...bored-in-august-downgrades-us-citing-old-news

    (BOLD is my opinion OR what I consider important content)

    "Reminder: Credit ratings are opinions that rarely sway markets much.

    Welcome to August, that time when politicians go on vacation, meaningful news is thin and headlines get a bit silly. It is also the time when your friendly MarketMinder editors have occasionally struggled to find things to write about, so we guess we can empathize with the fine folks at Fitch, who conjured a downgrade of the US’s AAA credit rating to AA+ Tuesday afternoon. The announcement hit after markets closed, so we will have to wait a tick to see the knee-jerk sentiment impact. However, we don’t think this means one iota for stocks and bonds over any meaningful period.

    When Standard & Poor’s downgraded the US in 2011, becoming the first ratings agency to relieve Uncle Sam of his top, AAA credit rating, it happened in the throes of the eurozone’s debt crisis and mere days after an epic debt ceiling standoff. The resolution, which included the infamous sequestration budget cuts, wasn’t enough to convince S&P of the US Treasury’s creditworthiness—the raters said the standoff itself and politicians’ increasing infatuation with using the debt ceiling as a bargaining chip warranted a downgrade. (They also cited some numbers, but there was a rather large math error.) It all came amid a sharp bull market correction, adding to investors’ furor. It also preceded a drop in US government bond yields and several years of lovely stock returns, so investors pretty quickly got over it.

    This time, there is scant news. The last debt ceiling battle was one of the least colorful in recent memory. It had all the requisite false warnings of default, but no one’s heart seemed to be in the hyperbole, and negotiations mostly plodded along until the bipartisan deal was sealed earlier than usual. It also wrapped up nearly two months ago. We did get the Congressional Budget Office’s (CBO’s) updated fiscal forecasts in late June, but they mostly confirmed prior projections.

    A lot of the immediate reaction seems to be surprise that Fitch followed through on their earlier, springtime threat. But as our Elisabeth Dellinger and Todd Bliman noted in a June post-squabble wrap-up, “Yet despite the broad deal passed with ample time to spare by historical standards, Fitch could still downgrade. … And, of course, ratings agencies are comprised of people (we think)—not a market function. You can’t presume they will behave in a fashion that may seem linear and logical.”

    Still, when news of Fitch’s downgrade hit the wires, we were eager to see their reasoning. And it turned out to be … a potpourri of standard debt fears. It cited the debt ceiling standoffs, of course, as well as the CBO forecasts, the 2017 tax cuts, higher government spending, Social Security and Medicare funding and Fitch’s own US economic forecasts (for a late 2023/early 2024 recession, natch). Most colorful was its judgment of “Erosion of Governance,” which amounted to those darned US politicians don’t do what we want them to do, boo hiss. At least that is our translation of “The repeated debt-limit political standoffs and last-minute resolutions have eroded confidence in fiscal management. In addition, the government lacks a medium-term fiscal framework, unlike most peers, and has a complex budgeting process.”

    Here is the thing. Credit ratings are opinions, and Fitch is entitled to theirs—just as S&P was entitled to its own views, which it eventually defended as “puffery.”[ii] But opinions aren’t predictive, and we don’t think the downgrade represents an actual deterioration in credit conditions. You see, none of the stuff cited in the rationale is new. Those CBO forecasts have painted a dreary picture with straight-line math and strange assumptions for years. Social Security and Medicare steal headlines every year when the Trustees’ Report shows updated projections for depletion of the trust funds. Politicians have been using the debt ceiling as a wedge issue for decades, and budget bickering is the norm. Through it all, the US Treasury has never defaulted. Markets saw this when S&P downgraded the US in 2011, affirming their confidence in the US Treasury’s full faith and credit by sending bond yields lower.

    If debt were actually a problem, markets would likely show it long before credit raters reported on it. This downgrade may be an extreme example, but all raters’ decisions simply collate widely known information and opinions. This is why they rarely move markets much, as Exhibit 1 illustrates.

    Exhibit 1: AAA Downgrades Don’t Skyrocket Yields

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    Source: Fitch Ratings, S&P Global Ratings, FactSet, Global Financial Data, Inc., as of 5/25/2023. Change in issuing nations’ 10-year bond yields 60 days before and after downgrades.

    Markets are forward-looking, pre-pricing all of these things before they wind up in backward-looking reports. Considering US Treasurys have mostly followed the global trend, we don’t think markets are signaling undue risk now. If they seem fine with everything in Fitch’s report, investors should be, too."

    MY COMMENTS

    EXACTLY.....markets are not stupid. They reflect and discount into the 6-12 month future ALL information. If there was a credit issue the markets would know it way before any rating agency.

    The ULTIMATE....day or two....tempest in a very small tea-pot.
     
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    Looks like a mild down open....considering yesterday and the wild and crazy market reaction to NOTHING. A good step to moving on.

    In terms of the long term.....this little blip will be totally meaningless.
     
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    I do agree with this view....obviously. Although.......I try to temper my positive view with the reality that we will see various market drops and corrections along the way........and at some point....the next little bear market. That is just the environment that long term investors navigate for life.

    Stocks Hit ‘Escape Velocity,’ Blasting Into a New Bull Market
    The bull market bandwagon is about to get even bigger

    https://investorplace.com/hypergrow...ape-velocity-blasting-into-a-new-bull-market/

    (BOLD is my opinion OR what I consider important content)

    "Back in October 2022, when this stock market rally got started, very few investors believed in it. Ten months later, though, that’s no longer the case. And we think the bull market bandwagon is about to get even bigger as stocks hit “escape velocity.

    Originally a physics term, escape velocity describes the speed needed for an object to escape the influence of gravity and fly into space. After successfully breaking away from that downward pull, the object is free to move further into space.

    And we think stocks have hit “escape velocity.”

    That is, we think stocks have rallied long and hard enough that there is no longer a chance they revisit their lows. Instead, the market will just keep floating upward.

    We think the market officially hit escape velocity two days ago, on the final trading day of July. The S&P 500 rallied yet again, closing out July on a positive note.

    And the market has now officially posted a positive return for five straight months.

    Historically speaking, five-month winning streaks are rare and very bullish for stocks.

    Escape Velocity Marks a New Bull Market

    Since 1949, the S&P 500 has recorded about 30 different five-month winning streaks. More than 90% of the time, the market was higher nine, 12, 18, and 24 months later. Average returns over the following year are about 10%. Average returns over the following two years are about 14%.

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    More importantly, the first five-month winning streak after a bear market has historically always marked the end of the bear market – or the moment that stocks entered “escape velocity” in a powerful new bull market.

    After the 2008 financial crisis, stocks notched their first five-month winning streak in July 2009. Stocks went on to soar over the next 10 years.

    After the dot-com crash, stocks reached their first five-month winning streak in July 2003. Stocks went on to soar for the next four years.

    And after the early 1990s recession, stocks achieved their first five-month winning streak in March 1991. Stocks went on to soar for the next 10 years.

    Time and time again, stocks’ first five-month winning streak after a bear market always marks the start of a new multi-year bull market.

    We’re confident this time will not be different.

    Stocks have entered escape velocity – and it is up, up, and away from here."

    MY COMMENT

    Totally agree.....although i have been seeing this positive market happening since last July......at least in the SP500.

    Lets finish off the year in style.
     
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    Motivation.....and.....market wisdom.

    The Greatest Investment Quotes [That Everyone Should Know]

    https://ofdollarsanddata.com/investment-quotes/

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    "In the world of finance, investment quotes can be transformative, shifting the way you think about money and wealth. From guiding principles to words of caution, the timeless wisdom found in them reflects centuries of experience from the greatest investors across space and time.

    The following collection of investment quotes have been grouped into six categories: Psychology & Controlling Emotions, Humor, Risk, Trading & Market Timing, Money & Lifestyle, and Markets & Philosophy. Each category offers unique insights into investing, whether it’s helping you master your emotions, adding a dash of humor to complex financial theories, or inspiring you to think differently about risk and reward.

    Whether you’re a seasoned investor seeking fresh perspectives or a beginner wondering where to start, these quotes can help guide you on your investment journey. Let’s start this journey by delving into some of the most impactful investment quotes that can help you stay calm even during the darkest of times.

    Psychology & Controlling Emotions

    “Men, it has been well said, think in herds. It will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.”

    -Charles Mackay, Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds

    “A lone amateur built the ark; a large group of professionals built the Titanic.”

    -Unknown, The Maxims of Wall Street

    “Fear incites human action far more urgently than does the impressive weight of historical evidence.”

    -Jeremy Siegel, Stocks for the Long Run (3rd Edition)

    “When it’s dark enough, you can see the stars.”

    -Old Persian Proverb

    “Nothing like price to change sentiment.”

    -Helene Meisler (@hmeisler)

    “If you’re not willing to react with equanimity to a market price decline of 50% two or three times a century, you’re not fit to be a common shareholder and you deserve the mediocre result you’re going to get.”

    -Charlie Munger, Interview with BBC

    “Your personal experiences with money make up maybe 0.00000001% of what’s happened in the world, but maybe 80% of how you think the world works.”

    -Morgan Housel, The Psychology of Money

    “The four most dangerous words in investing are: ‘This time it’s different.'”

    -Sir John Templeton, The Devil’s Financial Dictionary

    “The game of professional investment is intolerably boring and overreacting to anyone who is entirely exempt from the gambling instinct; whilst he who has it must pay to this propensity the appropriate toll.”

    -John Maynard Keynes, The General Theory of Employment, Interest, and Money

    “If you don’t know who you are, this is an expensive place to find out.”

    -Adam Smith (pseudonym for George Goodman), The Money Game

    “Investors should remember that excitement and expenses are their enemies. And if they insist on trying to time their participation in equities, they should try to be fearful when others are greedy and greedy only when others are fearful.”

    -Warren Buffett, Berkshire Hathaway 2004 Letter to Shareholders

    “Wall Street sells stocks and bonds, but what it really peddles is hope.”

    -Jason Zweig, The Devil’s Financial Dictionary

    “Investing should be more like watching paint dry or watching grass grow. If you want excitement, take $800 and go to Las Vegas.”

    -Paul Samuelson

    “I can calculate the motions of the heavenly bodies, but not the madness of people.”

    -Isaac Newton, The Royal Society

    “The investor’s chief problem — and even his worst enemy — is likely to be himself.”

    -Benjamin Graham, The Intelligent Investor

    “Wealth isn’t primarily determined by investment performance, but by investor behavior.”

    -Nick Murray, Simple Wealth Inevitable Wealth

    “The greatest lesson in life is to know that even fools are right sometimes.”

    -Winston Churchill

    Humor

    “A bull market is like sex. It feels best just before it ends.”

    -Barton Biggs, Berkshire Hathaway 2013 Letter to Shareholders

    “It’s difficult to make predictions, especially with regards to the future.”

    -Old Proverb, The Most Important Thing

    “To err is human, but to be paid for it is divine.”

    -Howard Ruff, The Maxims of Wall Street

    “We are fond of saying that if these strategies are truly horribly overcrowded then someone has apparently forgotten to tell the prices.”

    -Clifford Asness, We’re Not Dead Yet

    “The first rule of investment is: Don’t Lose. And the second rule of investment is: Don’t forget the first rule.”

    -Warren Buffett, How to Pick Stocks & Get Rich, PBS (1985)

    “I put two children through Harvard by trading options. Unfortunately, they were my broker’s children.”

    -Jason Zweig, The Devil’s Financial Dictionary

    “If you want to be a millionaire, start with a billion dollars and launch a new airline.”

    -Richard Branson, Harvard Business Review

    “If it flies, floats, or fornicates, always rent it—it’s cheaper in the long run.”

    -Felix Dennis, How to Get Rich

    “There seems to be an unwritten rule on Wall Street: If you don’t understand it, then put your life savings into it.”

    -Peter Lynch, One Up on Wall Street

    “If you owe the bank $100, that’s your problem. If you owe the bank $100 million, that’s the bank’s problem.”


    -Old Proverb, Quote Investigator

    Risk

    “I tell my father’s story of the gambler who lost regularly. One day he hears about a race with only one horse in it, so he bet the rent money. Halfway around the track, the horse jumped over the fence and ran away.”

    -Howard Marks, The Most Important Thing

    “Risk and time are opposite sides of the same coin, for if there were no tomorrow there would be no risk. Time transforms risk, and the nature of risk is shaped by the time horizon: the future is the playing field.”

    -Peter L. Bernstein, Against the Gods

    “Risk taking is necessary for large success—but it is also necessary for failure.”

    -Nassim Taleb, Fooled by Randomness

    “I am more concerned about the return of my principal than the return on my principal.”

    -Will Rogers

    “When you want to test the depths of the stream, don’t use both feet.”

    -Chinese Proverb

    “Large price changes tend to be followed by more large changes, positive or negative. Small changes tend to be followed by more small changes. Volatility clusters.”

    -Benoit B. Mandlebrot, The Misbehavior of Markets

    “Markets look a lot less efficient from the banks of the Hudson than from the banks of the Charles.”

    -Fischer Black, Against the Gods

    “Liquidity is only there when you don’t need it.”

    -Old Proverb, The Devil’s Financial Dictionary

    “Risk cannot be eliminated; it just gets transferred and spread.”

    -Howard Marks, The Most Important Thing

    “There is no such thing as no risk. There’s only this choice of what to risk, and when to risk it.”

    -Nick Murray, Simple Wealth Inevitable Wealth

    “Survival is the only road to riches. You should try to maximize return only if losses would not threaten your survival and if you have a compelling future need for the extra gains you might earn.”

    -Peter L. Bernstein, Interview with Jason Zweig (2004)

    Trading & Market Timing

    “The market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.”

    -A. Gary Shilling/Unknown, Quote Investigator

    “When I see a good thing going cheap, I buy a lot of it.”

    -Hetty Green, The Maxims of Wall Street

    “Successful investing is anticipating the anticipation of others.”

    -John Maynard Keynes, The Maxims of Wall Street

    “In this business, if you are good, you’re right six times out of ten.”

    -Peter Lynch

    “Trading stocks is simple mathematics—2+2 = 4, but our greed makes it 5 and our panic makes it 3.”

    -Feroz Ahmed Khan

    “Remember that stocks are never too high for you to begin buying or too low to begin selling.”

    -Jesse Livermore, Reminiscences of a Stock Market Operator

    “The most dangerous people in the world are very smart traders who have never gotten their teeth kicked in.”

    -F. Helmut Weymar, More Money Than God

    “It was never my thinking that made the big money for me. It was my sitting.”

    -Edwin Lefevre, Reminiscences of a Stock Market Operator

    “We are all at a wonderful ball where the champagne sparkles in every glass and soft laughter falls upon the summer air. We know, by the rules, that at some moment, the Black Horseman will come shattering through the great terrace doors, wreaking vengeance and scattering the survivors.

    Those who leave early are saved, but the ball is so splendid no one wants to leave while there is still time, so that everyone keeps asking, ‘What time is it? What time is it?’ But none of the clocks have any hands.”

    -Adam Smith (pseudonym for George Goodman), Supermoney

    “The trend has vanished, killed by its very discovery.”

    -Benoit B. Mandlebrot, The Misbehavior of Markets

    “More people lost money waiting for corrections and anticipating corrections than the actual corrections.”

    -Peter Lynch, Interview with Fidelity (2019)

    “When the Rothschilds got the word about the battle of Waterloo—in the movie it was by carrier pigeon—they didn’t rush down and buy British consols, the government bonds. They rushed in and sold, and then, in the panic, they bought.”

    -Adam Smith (pseudonym for George Goodman), The Money Game

    “The time to buy is when there’s blood in the streets.”

    -Baron Rothschild

    “It is my conclusion that the successful investor must [have] … patience to wait for the right moment—courage to buy or sell when the time arrives—and liquid capital.

    -Benjamin Roth, The Great Depression: A Diary

    “What the wise man does in the beginning, the fool does in the end.”

    -Old Proverb, Berkshire Hathaway 2011 Letter to Shareholders

    “The additional rise of this stock above the true capital will be only imaginary; one added to one, by any rules of vulgar arithmetic, will never make three and a half; consequently, all the fictitious value must be a loss to some persons or other, first or last. The only way to prevent it oneself must be to sell out betimes, and so let the Devil take the hindmost.”

    -Anonymous Pamphleteer, Devil Take the Hindmost

    “The irony is that this is a money game and money is the way we keep score. But the real object of the Game is not money, but it is the playing of the Game itself. For the true players, you could take all the trophies away and substitute plastic beads or whale’s teeth; as long as there is a way to keep score, they will play.”

    -Adam Smith (pseudonym for George Goodman), The Money Game

    “In bear markets, stocks return to their rightful owners.”

    -Old Proverb

    “When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do sir?”

    -John Maynard Keynes

    “I hate to be wrong. But I hate more to stay wrong.”

    -Paul A. Samuelson

    “A mariner does not become skilled by always sailing on a calm sea.”

    -Heber J. Grant

    “Buying at the bottom and selling at the top are typically done by liars.”

    -Bernard Baruch

    Money & Lifestyle

    “I have known a lot of investors who came to the market to make money, and they told themselves that what they wanted was the money: security, a trip around the world, a new sloop, a country estate, an art collection, a Caribbean house for cold winters. And they succeeded. So they sat on the dock of the Caribbean home, chatting with their art dealers and gazing fondly at the new sloop, and after a while it was a bit flat. Something was missing.”


    -Adam Smith (pseudonym for George Goodman), The Money Game

    “The market’s not a very accommodating machine; it won’t provide high returns just because you need them.”

    -Peter L. Bernstein, The Most Important Thing

    “Spending money to show people how much money you have is the fastest way to have less money.”

    -Morgan Housel, The Psychology of Money

    “Two of the hardest things to do are save when you’re young and spend when you’re old.”

    -Unknown, The Maxims of Wall Street

    “Still, let me repeat it one more time. Becoming rich does not guarantee happiness. In fact, it is almost certain to impose the opposite condition—if not from the stresses and strains of protecting wealth, then from the guilt that inevitably accompanies its arrival.”

    -Felix Dennis, How to Get Rich

    “Two essentials for successful retirement are sufficient funds to live on and sufficient things to live for.”

    -Ernie Zelinski, How to Retire Happy, Wild, and Free

    “Money, contrary to popular myth, does help people more than it spoils them, simply because it opens up more options. The danger is that when you have your million, you then want two, because you have a button saying I Am a Millionaire and that is who you are, and there are, all of a sudden—as you will notice—so many people with buttons saying I Am a Double Millionaire.”

    -Adam Smith (pseudonym for George Goodman), The Money Game

    Markets & Philosophy

    “Another lesson I learned early is that there is nothing new in Wall Street. There can’t be because speculation is as old as the hills. Whatever happens in the stock market today has happened before and will happen again.”

    -Jesse Livermore, Reminiscences of a Stock Market Operator

    “Fund performance comes and goes. Costs go on forever.”

    -John “Jack” Bogle, The Little Book of Common Sense Investing

    “The poor and the middle class work for money. The rich have money work for them.”

    -Robert Kiyosaki, Rich Dad, Poor Dad

    “If you want to be wealthy, live below your means.”

    -Paul Merriman, The Maxims of Wall Street

    “History may not repeat itself, but it rhymes.”

    -Mark Twain, The Maxims of Wall Street

    “Bull markets are born on pessimism, grow on skepticism, mature on optimism, and die on euphoria.”

    -John Templeton, The Maxims of Wall Street

    “Stay humble or the market will do it for you.”

    -Anonymous

    “Price is my due diligence.”

    -Warren Buffett, Dinner with Brent Beshore

    “Don’t struggle to find the needle in the haystack; just buy the haystack.”

    -John “Jack” Bogle

    “I suppose the stock market is like this: Here I have a dish of ice cream that costs me ten cents. Robert, the waiter, comes in and says the ice cream is all gone and no more is to be had tonight.

    My ice cream suddenly seems more valuable to you and you offer me, say, twelve cents for it. Then Bill, who had intended to order ice cream makes you an offer of thirteen cents. You, being Scotch, can’t resist taking a profit. Bill brags so much about the ice cream that I decide I was foolish to let it go in the first place and buy it back for fourteen cents.

    About that time I discover, to my dismay, that the ice cream has melted.”

    -Fred C. Kelly, Why You Win or Lose

    “The man who is a bear on the United States will eventually go broke.”

    -J. P. Morgan, The Maxims of Wall Street

    “Nobody knows nothing.”

    -John “Jack” Bogle (via his mentor), Interview with Sensible Investing

    “The price of education is paid once. The price of ignorance is paid forever.”

    Ted Nicholas, The Maxims of Wall Street

    “The compounding of wealth, like the building of the City, is part of the much older game of life against death. The immortality is spurious because that particular wheel is fixed; you do have to lose in the end. That is the way the senior game is set up: You can’t take it with you.”

    -Adam Smith (pseudonym for George Goodman), The Money Game

    “When the incentives were so huge and you had so many funds competing to the death—all of them with the same Wharton-trained wizards on the staff, the same state-of-the-art technology systems, the same expert network consults, the same greed and determination—how else could you rise above everyone else and beat the market year after year?”

    -Sheelah Kolhatkar, Black Edge

    “Price is what you pay. Value is what you get.”

    -Benjamin Graham, Berkshire Hathaway 2008 Letter to Shareholders

    “The stock market is filled with individuals who know the price of everything, but the value of nothing.”

    -Philip Fisher

    “Finance posits a linear conception of time. A day is a day is a day. One five-year period is precisely the same duration as another five-year period. Episodes of time are uniform and we experience them unidirectionally, from present to future.

    Psychology disagrees: The human experience with time is non-linear and lumpy. The duration of those seconds and decades expand and contract. Time is elastic. It slows down during traumatic accidents and speeds up as we grow older. There’s an old line in the world of parenting that “the days are long but the years are short.”

    That’s mind time at play and mind time is what matters in the pursuit of wealth and funded contentment.”

    -Brian Portnoy, The Geometry of Wealth

    “In the short-run, the market is a voting machine…but in the long-run, the market is a weighing machine.”

    -Benjamin Graham, Berkshire Hathaway 1993 Letter to Shareholders

    “In fact, when we own portions of outstanding businesses with outstanding managements, our favorite holding period is forever.”

    -Warren Buffett, Berkshire Hathaway 1988 Letter to Shareholders

    “Investment is the discipline of relative selection.”

    -Sid Cottle, The Most Important Thing

    “Perhaps brains or a skill are the most portable and best wealth preserver.”

    -Barton Biggs, Wealth, War, and Wisdom

    “It’s just money; it’s made up. Pieces of paper with pictures on it so we don’t have to kill each other just to get something to eat. It’s not wrong. And it’s certainly no different today than it’s ever been.

    1637, 1797, 1819, -37, -57, -84, 1901, -07, -29, 1937, 1974, 1987-Jesus, didn’t that fuck me up good. -92, -97, 2000 and whatever we want to call this.

    It’s all just the same thing over and over; we can’t help ourselves. And you and I can’t control it, or stop it, or even slow it. Or even ever-so-slightly alter it. We just react.

    And we make a lot money if we get it right. And we get left by the side of the road if we get it wrong. And there have always been and there always will be the same percentage of winners and losers. Happy foxes and sad sacks. Fat cats and starving dogs in this world. Yeah, there may be more of us today than there’s ever been. But, the percentages, they stay exactly the same.”

    -J.C. Candor, Margin Call

    How Investment Quotes Can Help You

    They say that those who don’t know the past are doomed to repeat it. This is where investment quotes can make a difference. While seemingly simple, the 90 quotes I’ve included above encapsulate centuries of financial wisdom in so few words. These quotes can provide you with new perspectives, guide your decision-making, offer motivation during tough times, and even add a dash of humor to lighten the mood.

    As you absorb the wisdom shared in these investment quotes, remember that your investment journey will be a personal one. What works for you may not work for someone else. Therefore, you should see these quotes not as rigid rules, but as suggestions to help you achieve your financial goals.

    With that being said, remember to enjoy the process and the learning that comes with it. Happy investing and thank you for reading."

    MY COMMENT

    I did not BOLD any of the above quotes.....I would have to simply BOLD the entire little article. IGNORE....the collective wisdom of the ages......and.....your investing journey will be much harder.
     
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    The Ten Year Treasury is now at 4.195%. If anything is driving the markets short term....this is it.
     
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    WXYZ Well-Known Member

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    Speaking of the treasury yield.

    10-year Treasury yield climbs as investors digest U.S. rating downgrade

    https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/03/us-treasury-yields-investors-digest-us-rating-downgrade.html

    (BOLD is my opinion OR what I consider important content)

    "Treasury yields rose on Thursday as investors digested Fitch Ratings’ decision to cut the U.S.′ long term foreign currency issuer default rating and looked ahead to key economic data.

    The 10-year Treasury was up about 10 basis points at 4.175%, trading around levels last seen in November 2022. The yield on the 2-year Treasury
    added 2 basis points to 4.91%.

    Investors considered what could be next for the U.S. economy as they weighed recent developments and key economic data.

    Earlier this week, Fitch Ratings announced that it had downgraded the long-term foreign currency issuer default rating for the U.S. from AAA to AA+, citing “fiscal deterioration” and concerns about governance standards and growing general debt.

    Meanwhile, the Treasury Department said on Tuesday that it would sell securities in the form of 3-year, 10-year and 30-year debt worth a total of $103 billion.

    Investors also assessed a series of economic data prints that offered fresh hints about the state of the labor market and could inform the Federal Reserve’s next interest rate decision. This included in-line jobless claims numbers and stronger-than-expected productivity data for the second quarter.

    All this comes after Wednesday’s stronger-than-expected ADP report and ahead of Friday’s July jobs data.

    Also on Thursday, the Bank of England announced a 25 basis point hike as it continues to battle persistently high inflation."

    MY COMMENT

    BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.......interesting to know but not relevant to me as an investor.
     
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    WXYZ Well-Known Member

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    For those that are feeling disconnected or some bit of revival of the 2022 market PTSD.

    Warren Buffett says he’s not worried about Fitch’s U.S. downgrade

    https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/03/warren-buffett-says-hes-not-worried-about-fitchs-us-downgrade.html

    "Key Points
    • “Berkshire bought $10 billion in U.S. Treasurys last Monday. We bought $10 billion in Treasurys this Monday. And the only question for next Monday is whether we will buy $10 billion in 3-month or 6-month” T-bills, Buffett told CNBC’s Becky Quick.
    • “There are some things people shouldn’t worry about,” he said. “This is one.”"
    (See the article for more)

    MY COMMENT

    If yesterday caused you to experience a little bit of a panic feeling....take a deep breath. Ignore the news and turn of the markets for a while. Simply do nothing and let your portfolio do its job.
     
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    WXYZ Well-Known Member

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    WELL.....not much more I can say at the moment. I will simply wait for the earnings news later today at the close. That is what counts for a business owner and investor.
     
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    WXYZ Well-Known Member

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    Market drop? What market drop?

    I had to do a mental double take a minute ago. I looked at my account expecting to be mildly down.....but....I was UP. When I saw that I thought...."ok....probably about 50/50 on the up and down stocks". BUT no......a strong day in my ten stocks at this early moment in the day....EIGHT OF TEN holdings are UP.

    The down stocks for me today.....HON and AAPL.
     
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    Today looks a bit different than yesterday. So far anyway. I could see where some investors recently might be preserving some of the tremendous gains and maybe allocating some of that money to other things. And no doubt, the little news headline yesterday probably helped drive a little freak out.
     
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    WXYZ Well-Known Member

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    Markets seem pretty DULL and FLAT today. It seems like a day when QUALITY counts.....at least looking at my stocks.

    Not bad considering the market mania yesterday. That was just an EMBARRASSING REACTION to a simply non-event.
     
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    Some good advice. We haven't had to talk about that in awhile, but it is always important to remember.

    With every turn of the dial towards equities the risk/reward goes up. The same happens when turning the dial down with less exposure. An investor is trading off something either way. The old saying of "no free lunch" is still true today.

    One just has to determine what your own "dial" is set at for yourself. It is a very important part of any investors plan.
     
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    WXYZ Well-Known Member

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    Today.....yes....shows the UP bias of the markets this year.....and....the fact that yesterday was a one day overreaction to a meaningless event.
     
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    I consider today a good day following yesterday. I was UP with a small gain in my stocks. Plus I got in a beat on the SP500 of 0.43%. that made up about half my loss to the SP500 yesterday.

    Three stocks down for me today.....MSFT, HON, and AAPl.

    LETS END THE WEEK IN STYLE TOMORROW.
     
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    This headline says it all.

    Amazon beats on Q3 earnings and outlook, stock climbs 6%

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/amazon-earnings-195332083.html

    (BOLD is my opinion OR what I consider important content)

    "Amazon (AMZN) reported its Q3 earnings on Thursday after the bell, beating on the top and bottom line despite earlier concerns about how its cloud business will fare.

    Amazon stock rose 6% in after-hours trading.

    The tech giant reported a relatively small but vital beat for revenue in its cloud business, Amazon Web Services or AWS, with sales coming in at $22.14 billion compared to the $21.71 billion that Wall Street expected.

    The company's third quarter revenue outlook was also a notable beat, coming in at $138 billion-143 billion versusthe $138.3 billion estimated.

    Currently, cloud results are top-of-mind for tech investors, as the sector is in the midst of a slowdown with an uncertain future. For Amazon, AWS has long underpinned essential parts of the company's revenue.

    The earnings rundown

    Here are the most important numbers that Amazon reported, as compared to analysts' expectations compiled by Bloomberg:

    Net sales: $134.38 billion actual versus $131.63 billion estimated

    EPS: $0.65 versus $0.35 estimated

    Amazon Web Services (AWS) net sales: $22.14 billion versus $21.71 billion estimated

    Operating margin: 5.7% versus 3.46% estimated


    Operating income: $7.68 billion versus $4.72 billion estimated

    Q3 net sales outlook: $138 billion-143 billion versus$138.3 billion estimated


    In Q1, Amazon guided to Q2 net sales of $127 billion to $133 billion.

    What analysts said pre-earnings

    Amazon's fundamentals might not be the primary topic of conversation during the company's earnings call, according to RBC Capital Markets' Brad Erickson.

    Instead, AI will feature heavily, especially given Amazon's (still-mostly-theoretical) competitive advantage with large enterprise customers.

    "We expect commentary to be positive, where not unlike Meta, we'd expect management to speak to an open-sourced mindset with its platform having the greatest ability to allow superior performance, efficiency, and product capabilities to serve the largest customers' AI needs," Erickson wrote.

    Cues from management will be crucial, both when it comes to AI and cloud services.

    "The key question will be whether management suggests that ... AWS is likely to start showing revenue growth acceleration beginning in Q3," Evercore ISI analyst Mark Mahaney wrote in a note."

    MY COMMENT

    A strong BEAT across the board. Hopefully this is now the start of a revival for AMZN......since the comparison to pandemic numbers going forward from here on is over. I would like to see a strong year for this company over the next 12 months. This is a good start.
     
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