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TSLA - Tesla Inc

Discussion in 'Stock Message Boards NYSE, NASDAQ, AMEX' started by Administrator, Mar 21, 2016.

  1. fireopal

    fireopal Well-Known Member

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  2. Pokey

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    Surely you don't put much weight into their assessment.
    Tesla will do what the market wants, it's a good trade for me as it has good swings but I don't give much thought to what some analyst tweets about. Elon's tweets are a different story though, made some good dough when he did the 420 takeover and did great when he took a puff on the doobie to.
     
  3. fireopal

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    Hello! Citron along with the bio-hit man calls are not to be ignored imo because both seem to carry some weight. Tend to check/monitor Citron's bullish/bearish calls to see how they play out because have been in a couple plays when they issued bearish PT that had stocks heading south & have also seen one bullish PT call hit to the penny so...
     
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  4. Onepoint272

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    I don't know why they, Citron, are calling 320, but in the near-term I could see 320 getting hit.
    • The downward thrust has been shortening. The last two down-waves have not been able to make it down to the demand line of the downtrend channel off the December high (the red channel) and the price has formed a trading range
    • Tuesday's high volume selling dive under the recent trading range (279) was absorbed; closed well off the low, no follow-thru
    • After the dive, price sprung back into the range (today, Friday),
    • so that now it is in the spring position for a move to test the top of the range @ 324 or as near as it can get (it will be going against a strong downtrend)
    However in the intermediate term:
    • Last Friday's and this Monday's fall had wide price spread (relative to other bars in the TR) and was on high volume indicating a Sign of Weakness (SOW)
    • which is a warning as it does not bode well for this trading range as it indicates distribution and that the range may be a re-distribution TR
    • The trend off the December high is down so demand will need to prove itself with a Sign of Strength (SOS) for price to break higher out of the TR (trend rules).
    Conclusion: If I was swing trading and was forced to trade against the trend, I'd cautiously go long for a holding period of a few days to a couple weeks. If demand appears, that would change the intermediate picture.

    Daily bars:
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  5. Pokey

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    tesla-model-y-1.png tesla-Model-Y-headlights.jpg

    Teaser.
     
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  6. TomB16

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    If we have any other longs in here, they may find this of interest.

     
  7. TomB16

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    I would have expected a pickup announcement in early 2020. This looks like an F-150 to me but it's loaded with cammo and on a Tesla car carrier.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Hello everyone,,
    Can't believe TSLA is still on a tear after missing the projected build. You'd think with the crazy amount of pre-orders and the company never making anything near that that there would be a little more concern and the stock wouldn't be sailing still.....
     
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  9. TomB16

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    I've held Tesla for 2.5 years. I plan to hold Tesla for 5+ more years and likely 10~15 additional years.

    With that in mind, here is a Tesla criticism from someone who regards 99% of the Tesla negativity as bologna.

    I'm disappointed in the announcement of pulling retail and the subsequent announcement of leaving some retail.

    I'm great with the idea of pulling retail. I'm great with leaving some retail. There is a clear problem with having Tesla retail in high priced shopping malls, etc. Something had to be done.

    The issue I have is the indecisiveness. This change of heart was a mistake. I'd like to see a longer idea to Twitter gestation period.

    This has not affected my 5~15 horizon on Tesla.

    I allow management to make mistakes and still want to be in business with them. The most important traits are (in order): honest, hard work, smart. Tesla has all of these traits. I still want to be part of Tesla.
     
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    Tesla has long been moving in the range of 250-387. The current quote is 291.00. It is near the bottom line. Maybe soon it will be time to buy Tesla from the bottom, and keep up to the top.

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    Yeah but regardless of the motive you have to admit it is well written, like this quip:

    The people who waited two years for their Model 3 deposit to materialize into a car may love the minimalist interior and giant, over-functional tablet screen slapped on the dashboard, but can something so overtly counter-culture to the products currently on sale by mainstream automakers appeal to people who don’t follow Elon Musk on Twitter?

    Oh yeah, touché', now that's good writing, and a legitimate question. It should certainly introduce a seed of doubt into the minds of the faithful. :)
     
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  13. TomB16

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    Given the Model 3 is the best selling luxury car in America, how much they've scaled production, how far behind they are on orders, how many they have sold, and how similar the Y is to the 3, I think it's not unreasonable to think the only people not ready for the model Y are it's competitors.

    Do the folks pretending Tesla isn't dominating ever consider that Tesla sells only at retail price, has a back log of orders, and doesn't bother to advertise? lol!

    Back to the modem Y reveal.....

    I was underwhelmed. I see no reason to be interested in the model Y. As an event to market Tesla as a company and promote excitement around the products, it was a win. As an event to get information about the model Y out to the public, it was a fail. Perhaps the event did what it was intended to do.


    Meanwhile, in Shanghai, I can see two large sections of concrete pad. That build is rocking.

    The new GF3 is going to be larger than GF1 by the end of this year. As an owner, I like the move to invest outside of the US. The US is not a good long term market with so many people negatively spinning all news Tesla.
     
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  14. Sandris

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    So because of all of the recent blunders, Tesla stocks are quite low at the moment. But EV is the future, especially with the fight about global warming. Can Tesla stay ahead of the competition and secure a safe postion in this market or not? They have gotten first Gigafactory sorted more or less and in summer second Gigafactory in Chine will be opening, so it will be a very strong foothold. I guess a lot depends on how many preorders will be made on the new Tesla model Y. If they can stay in the market and fix a couple of their issues, then they should be well secured and stock prices should start to claim in a year. And so the final questions-
    Is Tesla stock going lower then it is allready?
    And how likly is that it will blunder in the end?
     
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    The new pickup truck will be the smoking gun.
     
  16. TomB16

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    This doesn't change my bullish view on Tesla but GAF Energy just out-innovated Tesla with an extremely simple retro-fit solar roof system that becomes part of the weather envelope.

    We are fortunate to own quite a bit of real estate and I have zero interest in Tesla's solar roof but I'm already keenly interested in this product.

    The only way I would be interested in a solar roof product from Tesla is if they can produce something similar and with Panasonic panels. Tesla doesn't specify the panel supplier when they quote a job. They use the cheapest panels available which are not Panasonic.

    Long story short, I don't hold a ton of optimism for the Tesla solar energy business. The PowerWall/PowerPack business is going to change the world, though.

    https://cleantechnica.com/2019/01/19/solar-shingles-the-focus-of-new-gaf-energy-unit/
     
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    Today I counted 10 Teslas on that same stretch of freeway. Steel was the most popular color today although I prefer the white or black. I seem to be getting sucked into the cult and am starting to admire the looks of these cars.
     
  18. TomB16

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    They are a gorgeous car. There is no Tesla store in my area but we visited one the last time we were at my brother's place in Vegas. The 3 wasn't out then but we drooled over the model S for about an hour.

    On the drive there, my brother explained to me how desperately under-developed the technology is and how it's going to take years to make an adequate electric car.

    On the trip home, he said he was going to look at selling his BMW in the morning.

    How many times have we seen that story of ignorance played out? It's astonishing how broken people's thought processes are. If the S wasn't electric, it would still be an extremely compelling car. The 3 is just as beautiful, IMO. I haven't ridden in a 3 but the interior looks fantastic.
     
  19. StockJock-e

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    I see more and more of them on the streets, its great!

    I look forward to seeing more electric cars compete for this market, its only going to get cheaper.
     
  20. TomB16

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    I wouldn't count on anyone competing with Tesla at volume. It's may not be currently possible.

    The EV guy at Audi recently cited his battery cost as $250/KWh at the pack level. Elon has said their cost is $100/KWh at the pack level. If the Maxwell purchase goes through, that could cut more than in half with dry electrode manufacturing technology.

    Audi dismisses Elon's claims of $100/KWh saying Tesla's costs are the same as Audi, at best.

    Manufacturing programs like the Bolt are not profit centers. They manufacture at a loss in exchange for EV street cred and to gain scale which will drive down cost.

    Tesla and the Chinese are the only companies making money building EVs and the Chinese don't build a car with anything similar to a 100KWh pack.

    Meanwhile, last year the head of VW said they would make a car as good as Tesla for half the price.

    https://electrek.co/2018/10/26/vw-ceo-electric-vehicle-tesla-half-price-2020/

    Either Tesla or VW/Audi are full of garbage. It could be both. It's up to the investor to figure out who is telling the truth, if anyone.


    The idea that a company like VW/Toyota/Ford/etc could come up with a compelling electric car, relatively easily, to compete directly with Tesla is what every anti-Tesla smear is based on. The pro-Tesla camp thinks Tesla has a 2~3 generation advantage in battery tech.

    If you pay attention, you will notice nobody has a pack that charge as quickly as a Tesla in the same capacity range. Nissan announced a quick charging option for the Leaf in a much smaller size than the smallest Tesla battery but it has been delayed, for some reason.

    Remember: the anti-Tesla crowd think you can just string together some laptop batteries, connect an electric motor, and you have an EV. Easy, peasy.

    When the VW eGolf comes out with a 65+KWh battery that is fast charge capable at a price point near Tesla, I will look at selling my stake in Tesla.

    Meanwhile, Fisker claims it will bring a 300M range car to market in a couple of years, once it can figure out how to finance a few billion dollars for a factory. That announcement caused Tesla shares to tumble but there is zero chance Fisker has a 300M car that can quick charge and last a reasonable life. It's not an easy thing to do. VW/Audi is way more likely to crack that nut than Fisker. Maybe Hyundai. It's going to take a lot of engineering to catch up with Tesla.

    As of now, nobody has a product that can compete with Tesla. Tesla's primary competition is PowerPoint presentations and empty promises.
     
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